Personally, I hope audioMAN can actually start putting in some informative posts. More users posting intelligent questions/comments/answers, the better for everyone.
I should say that someone looking through these posts without ever posting isn't doing the forum any good. Surely, if you've learned from reading these posts, you can then post an answer when a newbie asks a question that you know the answer to.
Check out my posts, never have I answered a technical question. Why, because I wouldn't know what to answer. I don't use SoFo products for a living, I have a day job completely different from audio/video. I work with SoFo products as a hobby that I hope to eventually get deeper into. That doesn't stop me from helping others when I know the answer to the question they're asking. Since Pipeline is part of topic of discussion, I've also tried to help him by re-directing him to the Acid forum when I saw a user there with the same machine as his (that he was/is having problems with).
That wasn't directly helping him technically, but it got him hooked-up with someone who could. I've had my share of thanks from various users because I try to help whenever I can. Now, I do have a problem with people who admit to grabbing information off these posts, never posting any answers that might be useful. If you aren't here to help, go back to playing with your Rubik's Cube (BTW, removing the coloured stickers to make them fit is CHEATING!).

Come to think of it...Pipeline has been having problems with his machine for MONTHS, when did YOU ever post something that might help him out??? It's easy coming hear to critisize other users. Let's see if you can be helpful now.

M

HERE'S A POST RE: THE SAME ISSUE,,,

Subject: RE: Extact CD and SAVE ALL problem SF6
Posted by: Rednroll (Ignore This User)
Date: 11/10/2002 11:52:50 PM

"IF YOU'RE NOT HELPING, YOU'RE IN THE WAY."

Well, I would have to state the obvious then, that I AM HELPING, and YOU'RE IN THE WAY" and there's a lot of users in these forums that I've helped that will tell you the same thing.
Reply

Subject: RE: Extact CD and SAVE ALL problem SF6
Posted by: Angelic_Records (Ignore This User)
Date: 11/11/2002 8:22:40 AM

It's not obvious, that you consistantly help others, and the negative stuff seems to overshadow
any good you may do, you ought to re-read some of audioman's threads,
he cut and pasted obvious examples of you being an obstacle for others,
namely pipelineaudio, who, as best I can see, has done his best to avoid
your sarcasm and "mud-slinging". It also seems obvious, that if anyone attempts
to deflate your ego or simply offer alternative thinking, you get defensive,
like you're protecting the only truth that exsists, unwilling to consider alternative thinking.
We/I, unfortunately, deal with your type constantly, and my comment is,
"those who think they know everything, not only usually don't, but are
dangerous, and in many cases have stopped the learning proccess for themselves,
or at least drastically reduce their own recieption of new info".

I MUST RESTATE THIS:
"Other users shouln't be our advisaries, but our allies,
and we should share info rather than providing an obstacle in gaining it.
We are all trying to accomplish very similar objectives and we should be
a "tight-knit" group, not a bunch of bickering idiots".

And myst, this doesn't seem to involve you, thus you are simply fueling someone
elses fire, instead of knocking audioman, read between the lines a little, he has
made some decent points and it seems your biggest complaint is he isn't posting techie threads yet,
I'm sure some come to read and I don't see the harm in that, this is still the internet, isn't it?

Angelic Records

I will try to explain myself more clearly. I DO have a problem with someone recently joining the forum, reading a few of Rednroll's posts, and thinking he has him figured out. He is a longtime user of SoFo software, has alot of experience with it, and shares that experience with others. His input, along with other knowledgeable forum users(such as Pipeline) has directly helped in the development of these apps.
This mudslinging goes back along way, who knows who started it. It shouldn't even be happening, but it does. It's unfortunately part of any forum.
It doesn't help when posters come to the forum for the first time like a bull in a china shop.
Everyone here has his own personality that might not go well with another, you can't help that.
Personally, I think this forum would lose out if Rednroll wasn't here to answer posts, same goes for Pipeline, Chienworks, mD, and others that make these forums a good place to get info.
The bottom line is, user A has a problem with user B. That's too bad, but it's their problem. Coming here posting on 3 or 4 different forums to degrade any user without giving any input is the equivalent of a punch in the back. Pipeline, who has been directly "targeted" by Rednroll seems to have decided to move on and ignore Red's posts, and he seems perfectly capable of answering for himself.
You say this isn't my problem, that I'm adding fuel to someone else's fire. What exactly did audioMAN do on the forums???

M

As usual pipeline, never understanding all of the information that's presented too you. But if you want a refresher course, we can go back to what I really said.

"funny coming from the guy who insisted that :"

"vegas' buss fx were PRE fader"
-I NEVER insisted this. I said, "I have NOT verified at this time, that buss FX's are PRE-Fader, but would assume, since Vegas is modeled after a typical mixing console, then they would be PRE-fader." I later went and verified that they where "post-fader" and told you they where and said this is definitely not correct and should be changed. So, I don't know where that "Insisting" comes into play, because I NEVER issisted this.

"Professionals dont EVER put compressors in front of a tape recorder input"
I NEVER said this either, can you dig this post up for me? This is the third time I've had to explain this to you. I use a compressor, when recording on a regular basis going to tape. Why would I EVER say this then?

"Professionals dont ever use noise gates"
I never said they "don't ever" use noise gates. What I said was "Why would you use a noise gate when there are better ways to achieve this in the digital world without adding the additional noise added by a gate and risking the opportunity to allow audio to get cut-off by the gate when you are recording. I said, it's a much better solution to EDIT within VEGAS where you have total control of the opening and closing and rate of the gate. "Using a gate is a bad idea when there are much better solutions to achieve the same thing" is what I really said.


"Vegas was around for ten years, so you could have learned back then whether or not vegas could generate smpte as audio internally."
No, Actually I learned how to generate SMPTE as audio using Protools and Opcode's Studio Vision when I sync these devices up to 2" tape and dump 8 tracks of backing vocals into Protools and free up 8 tracks on the 24 track, then fly these 8 tracks to different locations, so the artist doesn't have to record them 3 more times the same way...saving studio time. This was handled through SMPTE sync through a Midi Interface which had SMPTE IN/OUTS. And what do you know? It's handled the same way in VEGAS as Protools and Studio Vision had done it. But guess who say's they own one of these midi interfaces and can't get SMPTE as audio from their DAW? Not me, that would be you.

"Y-cords are as good or better than auto input"
I've NEVER used a Y-chord and never said this either. I use a mixing console and have explained to you 5 times how you don't need auto-input or a Y-chord. I thought I was helping someone out, but obviously you can't help someone out who isn't intelligent enough to understand anything that's written. WHICH IS FURTHER SUPPORTED BY YOUR STATEMENTS, because if you're trying to reitterate what I said, all of it is totally WRONG.

"yeah, consider the source"
When you understand the information coming from the source, maybe you can rephrase what I say. Until then you better stick with quotes from my actual posts.

I believe audioman is trying to get us all back on track with being pros in public.
Though his method wasn't one of refinement or consisting of much tact, he has, at least
initiated the basic awareness that this forum is not being used for it's intended
purpose. And I think it is worth correcting, at least from a bystander's point of view.
I am not commending his tactics, but I definately acknowlege his point,
which seems to be vastly overlooked.
LET'S GET RID OF THE BS, NOT THE USERS, AND BE PROs.
If we just cleaned it up a bit this would be such a better forum,
and I think we can all agree on this statement.


Here's another of my threads to rednroll TRYING, to get him to understand this,
but with all of his technical expertise, he still seems unable to grasp this concept.

Subject: RE: Frustrating day with Xvision/RME
Posted by: Rednroll (Ignore This User)
Date: 11/11/2002 9:16:41 AM

And how are you any different? There's constructive information in this very post from me. Where's the information you've ever shared? I'm listening but not hearing nothing from you or Audioman. What? Don't know anything to contribute? Then shut-up and listen.
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Subject: RE: Frustrating day with Xvision/RME
Posted by: Angelic_Records (Ignore This User)
Date: 11/11/2002 11:27:46 AM

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH
IT'S NOT THE INFO THAT ANYONE IS IN CONTENTION WITH,
(it may be debated and/or disputed, which is the art of a tech forum),
IT'S THE CONDESENDING AND INSULTING WAY YOU SOMETIMES OFFER IT.
DON'T YOU GET IT, YET?
GOD, YOU ARE HARD-HEADED!
You're the only one that cannot smell your own stench.
Regardless of how much you may know, nowbody likes medicine tasting the way you often flavor it,
HOW MANY WAYS CAN ONE PUT IT.
WHERE IS MY RELIEF, I KNOW I'M NOT ALONE IN THIS QUEST TO CLEAN UP THIS FORUM.

Thanks for reposting my posts. Now you can show even more people how little you are contributing. Get a clue, nobody cares what YOU THINK, they prefer useful information that will help them with their audio problems. We don't need YOU as a moderator, to tell us how WE should voice our opinions or share information....this is NOT your forum. This is Sonic Foundry's forum and THEY are the moderator's. If they have a problem with my posts, then they delete them. I've been helping user's in these forums for over 3 years and now you think you're gonna come in here with your dictatorship attitude and tell everyone how YOU think these forums are to be conducted? As I said, "Get a clue".

You're the only one that cannot smell your own stench.
The info is not the issue, it's your delivery.
and you are way more "hitler-ish" than I.
Especially if someone has the nerve to disagree with you.
Seems pipeline has been sentanced to death by you, and for what,
DISAGREEING? THAT IS A DICTATORSHIP!
I am simply relaying the need for consideration and decency,
a point some seem to be missing or skirting.

"You're the only one that cannot smell your own stench."

Maybe you just smell it more than others.
Before you ask... I have a right to reply to your posts that are directed at Rednroll.
Why? Because of the simple fact that he has helped me learn about these apps countless times, and I will not let him take YOUR crap alone!!!! I've copy/pasted quite a few of his replies for the info he has provided.
He has "issues" with other users, that's between them. Stay out of it!
This has turned into a witchhunt(sorry Red, warlockhunt).
"Angelic" records... Yeah, I'm starting to get a clear picture now!!

M

I am simply relaying the need for consideration and decency,
a point some seem to be missing or skirting.

What you would like and what will be are two completely different things.
This type of bickering and mudslinging will always be a part of forums. Deal with it! I've stopped visiting other forums because they were MUCH worse than this.
Sonic Foundry gives you the option to "ignore this user", use it if you don't want to put up with posts you deam inappropriate.

M

No Myst, they're right. We should go by their example how they conduct themselves in these forums. Which are:

Subject: RE: Frustrating day with Xvision/RME
Posted by: PipelineAudio (Ignore This User)
Date: 11/11/2002 11:56:42 AM

"why dont you hold douchebag to the same standards guys?"

Subject: RE: Frustrating day with Xvision/RME
Posted by: Angelic_Records (Ignore This User)
Date: 11/11/2002 12:37:48 PM

"drbam, myst, seems like you only read one line or the last line of these threads,
could there be an attention defecit disorder looming in your lives, I dunno, but rather
then questioning my sanity, why not try to absorb more than 1 or 2 lines."

"I am simply relaying the need for consideration and decency,
a point some seem to be missing or skirting.
WHAT AN EGO YOU HAVE"


Wow, ever hear of "practice what you preach?" Oh!! we're suppose to sit back and get battered because we don't agree with YOUR opinions, while you dictact how WE should conduct ourselves. That is the very definition of Dictatorship...and you can even throw in Hipocracy on top of that with your rantings.

Seems, like this Angelic and Pipeline character seem to speak in the same maniorisms huh everyone? What a coincidence!!!

Oh...and Angelic, you forgot to copy one of my posts and paste it all over this forum. Here I'll do it for you.

"First of all, if anyone disagrees with my posts, I have no problem with that, and always welcome someone who does. That's what these forums are about, to challenge each other and learn from different ways to approach something. I defend the information that I post with backing facts. When someone disagrees with me, and I feel that they are wrong, I ALWAYS give supporting information showing them how they are wrong. Is this a bad thing? I would seem to think not, because we can all learn the correct information through debate and facts. People like pipeline come in here and I prove them wrong and give backing information to support the reasons why he is wrong and he has no other information to back his "opinion" therefore resorts to his mudslinging and name calling.

You have made a total of 3 posts, all doing nothing for these forums except criticizing me. So what information are you offering? My ears are wide open looking for new information to learn, but if there's a bunch of morons in hear not offering nothing like yourself, then I have no option but not to learn except through my own personal experiences. Once you can come in these forums and ADD some meaningful information, then please come back and feel free to criticize my posts. Until then, it seems to show the only reason you exist in these forums is because of me and my information that I post."

Still not politically correct,
Rednroll