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JHendrix wrote on 10/15/2006, 10:07 AM
any ideas?
routerguy99 wrote on 10/15/2006, 10:30 AM
Yah I know I been waiting for someone to pipe up. I am in the same boat
Chienworks wrote on 10/15/2006, 12:35 PM
What problem do you have if you don't tell Vegas what it is? What are the pixel dimensions and pixel aspect ratio of the image?

I have a vague suspicion that when you say "16:9" template that Photoshop is actually saving a 720x480 image rather than an 853x480 image. If it is then not setting the PAR to 1.1852 then the image would end up looking squished and tall in the preview window. I wouldn't know though since i don't have Photoshop.

Ideally Photoshop should be saving an 853x480 image with a PAR of 1.0. Either this or 720x480 at 1.1852 would drop into a 16:9 project flawlessly.

Oh, and it's just V, not VV. There hasn't been a VV since version 2.
Tom Pauncz wrote on 10/15/2006, 1:36 PM
Hey Kelly,
I just tried this with PS CS2 and indeed there's a problem.

When I create a new file with PS and choose the NTSC DV Widescreen template, PS reports the PAR as 1.2. When that file is imprted into V7 or V6, the 'medium properties' reports PAR as 1.0000 (square pixels).

So, my assumptions are that either PS CS2 is lying or that the PAR setting is not making it through the Vegas import process correctly.

Tom
Jay-Hancock wrote on 10/15/2006, 2:21 PM
I'm not finding any problems at all with importing PS files. I am doing an HDV project. I use the photoshop template for HDV (1440x1080, PAR 1.333). Then I use "Place" to put an image onto the template as a smart object. Then I drag the handles (holding down the shift key to ensure aspect ratio is maintained) to make the image fill the whole canvas. Then (after doing various other steps to prepare it for video) I save the file, with layers, as a native photoshop file. I import it into Vegas (with project properties for HDV), and the PAR comes through perfectly.
Tom Pauncz wrote on 10/15/2006, 4:54 PM
Jay,
Quite right. I only tried this with PNG and JPG files; don't know why.
When I tried the same thing with PSD files (using the NTSC DV Widescreen template), it all worked as expected.
Thanks for the nudge...
Tom
JHendrix wrote on 10/15/2006, 7:21 PM
quess Im missing something becasue Im using psd but VV imports it at 4:3
Tom Pauncz wrote on 10/15/2006, 7:23 PM
What version are you using??
What is the project properties set to??
Tom
JHendrix wrote on 10/16/2006, 3:31 AM
VV 7

DV 16:9
Tom Pauncz wrote on 10/16/2006, 6:45 AM
Here's what I found JHendix,

If I open a V7 project at the default settings (for me it's not WS), import the WS PSD file and then set the project to DV WS, the imported PSD file is 4:3 in the preview window.

However, if I open a V7 project at the default setting, change it to DV WS and then import the PSD file, all is as it should be.

Try it. Maybe that is the missing link.
Tom
JHendrix wrote on 10/16/2006, 11:49 AM
Thanks Tom, still no go here
JHendrix wrote on 10/16/2006, 11:53 AM
Thanks Tom, still no go here

whats worse, I cant even use an image as a template by control dragging to create new and then right click dragging to "Add As takes" ...when swapped, the new image is 4:3
Tom Pauncz wrote on 10/16/2006, 1:15 PM
Hmmm .. I don't get it.

Anyhow - email me by clicking on my name, include your email address and I'll send you my test project including the two PSD files I used. Not sure I can send attachments via the forum.

I have no problem with takes either.
Tom
Jay-Hancock wrote on 10/16/2006, 1:24 PM
JHendrix - hard to tell based on what info you've provided.. In PS, are you explicitly setting the image's Pixel Aspect Ratio (PAR) to something other than 1.0? I mean by setting it from the PS menus, not just by transforming / resizing the image. This feature didn't appear until the CS version of PhotoShop (or maybe it was the CS2 version, I'm not sure). If the PAR you set in PhotoShop for the psd file matches the PAR in your project properties, it should come through on import.

Also, the default in Vegas is to set the "Maintain Aspect Ratio" flag on all media. Presumably it would get this from the number of pixels (h x w) in the image. Therefore if the PAR is something other than 1.0, the aspect ratio derived from the pixel count would be wrong. I suspect this is what happens when importing a jpeg or png file with a non-square PAR. For import of PSD files, it would be imperative to set the PAR in PhotoShop to the correct one, because (in my experience, at least) Vegas seems to read this attribute from the PSD file. Otherwise, you'd have to manually adjust the media properties.
JHendrix wrote on 10/16/2006, 5:41 PM
Hey

Its CS2 and the template is:

"NTSC DV Widescreen, 720 x 480"

Which when chosen has a PAR of:

"D1/DV NTSC Widescreen (1.2):


VV is importing these images as "square"





I couldnt find the setting in VV that "maintians aspect ratio on import"

Jay-Hancock wrote on 10/16/2006, 7:02 PM
I did the test myself and got the same results as you. I don't have any problems in HDV projects, but do have problems with DV widescreen.

The setting for "Maintain Aspect Ratio" is in the properties from right-clicking the event off the timeline. If you turn that off you get the correct display in the preview. But you'd have to do it for every file.
Tom Pauncz wrote on 10/16/2006, 8:23 PM
Jay,
As default, the 'Maintain Aspect Ratio' is 'checked' for the WS PSCS2 medium I import.
There must be something else causing you guys to see something different.

Jay,
Email me and I'll send you the same VEG file.
Tom
JHendrix wrote on 10/17/2006, 7:14 AM
Right, 'Maintain Aspect Ratio' is 'checked.

1.0000 (Square) is what I have to change on each graphic- to 1.2121 (NTSC DV Widescreen) on the media tab in VV.....and Im doing ALOT of these so its a big hassle.
Jay-Hancock wrote on 10/17/2006, 7:29 AM
Sounds like a good job for scripting. Maybe you could do a search, and if fruitless, put a request post in the Scripting forum and see what you can find.
rs170a wrote on 10/17/2006, 7:34 AM
Assuming you have your project properties set to NTSC DV Widescreen, then run a Match Aspect Ratio script. There are several floating around. This site has a collection of scripts that I have installed on my machines.


Mike

edit: I fixed it but Tom beat me to it :-)
JHendrix wrote on 10/17/2006, 11:19 AM
What site is that? Its an expired Sony page?
Tom Pauncz wrote on 10/17/2006, 11:22 AM
Maybe this'll do it.
Try here
Tom
JHendrix wrote on 10/17/2006, 1:00 PM
Thanks

Problem with the Match Aspect Ratio script is that not the issue with the psd graphics.

1.0000 (Square) is what I have to change on each graphic- to 1.2121 (NTSC DV Widescreen) on the media tab in VV.....

the grahics are being read by VV as Square.
Tom Pauncz wrote on 10/17/2006, 1:04 PM
Have you had a chance to look at the veggie I sent you?
Tom