PIP causes foreground to go black

Lewis-Smith wrote on 3/25/2020, 9:55 PM

What the title says. I'm using Vegas Pro 15 on a Windows 10 and messing with Picture in Picture, but I can't seem to get it to work. I have two video tracks, with the inset clip on the top track, "1", and the main foreground clip in track "2". As soon as I add the PIP Fx to the clip in track one it adjusts to the correct PIP setting, but now the foreground has gone black. Oddly enough if I crop the PIP clip down inside it's window I can see the foreground image outside the boundaries. What is going on here? Everything I find says it should be as simple as adding the effect in, but I just can't seem to get it to work! I've also tried adding the Fx to the entire track instead of just the event, and I get the same results.

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EricLNZ wrote on 3/25/2020, 10:24 PM

Show us a shot of your timeline.

Grazie wrote on 3/26/2020, 1:42 AM

@Lewis-Smith - Eh? Please reread your Post as your use of FOREground and BACKground appears to me, at least, contradictory.

So, as @EricLNZ requested, we need a ScreenGrab 📺!

Lewis-Smith wrote on 3/26/2020, 9:00 AM

@Lewis-Smith - Eh? Please reread your Post as your use of FOREground and BACKground appears to me, at least, contradictory.

So, as @EricLNZ requested, we need a ScreenGrab 📺!

I actually never used the word "background", I used "inset" to refer to the smaller picture and "foreground" to refer to the main picture. I may not be fully up on all the appropriate wording when it comes to editing, so I apologize if those two phrases have a different meaning here. Here is another grab of the timeline, it's a different clip then what I had before, but it's yielding the same results. I'll add, the media is only showing "offline" because I had opened the snipping tool to take the screenshot, otherwise when in Vegas it's online and working fine.

 

Dot wrote on 3/26/2020, 9:06 AM

It looks like your foreground is not going black, but instead is shrinking the size of the image on that track. Make sure your track motion is set for full frame and you have no PIP set on the foreground video.

Grazie wrote on 3/26/2020, 9:08 AM

@Lewis-Smith hi! Thanks for your explanation. Your Screen Grab helps a lot. Is that White around your Insert, should that be transparent?

Lewis-Smith wrote on 3/26/2020, 9:23 AM

It looks like your foreground is not going black, but instead is shrinking the size of the image on that track. Make sure your track motion is set for full frame and you have no PIP set on the foreground video.

Track motion is a new phrase I hadn't seen in any of the PIP tutorials, I'll look around for it when I get a chance. And yeah, I'd agree that it looks like it is shrinking the image. Here's another screen grab though where I adjusted the transparency of the inset "track 1" image. You can see that the forground "track 2" image is there, but only shows up with the transparency.

Lewis-Smith wrote on 3/26/2020, 9:24 AM

@Lewis-Smith hi! Thanks for your explanation. Your Screen Grab helps a lot. Is that White around your Insert, should that be transparent?

No, the white around it was me adjusting the crop of the inset just to show that if I crop it down you can see the "track 2" image inside the PIP frame. Otherwise it looks like the normal PIP should, just with the black foreground.

Grazie wrote on 3/26/2020, 9:47 AM

@Lewis-Smith - I’m lost, sorry 😐.....

Dot wrote on 3/26/2020, 9:51 AM

Okay, that is different than what I thought. Are you using GPU acceleration? If you are, try turning it off.

Lewis-Smith wrote on 3/26/2020, 11:51 AM

Okay, that is different than what I thought. Are you using GPU acceleration? If you are, try turning it off.

Interesting. This worked and PIP appears to be behaving as it should. Thank you for the suggestion! Must be something there that made it act wonky with GPU acceleration on.

michael-harrison wrote on 3/27/2020, 11:03 AM

Do you have more than one GPU?

Lewis-Smith wrote on 3/27/2020, 9:11 PM

Do you have more than one GPU?

Negative. Running a Ryzen 9 and a RX 5700 XT card.

michael-harrison wrote on 3/29/2020, 1:53 PM

@Lewis-Smith latest drivers? My understanding is they've put out some pretty unstable drivers and the latest is apparently finally somewhat stable

ZigoH wrote on 4/9/2020, 10:36 AM

Hi people is there any update on this? i've posted about this bug a week ago. I'm also running Ryzen r9 but with a Radeon 5700 non XT.. same issue...gpu acceleration on...black background, gpu acceleration off working fine. I've tried different driver versions..Same issue. This Issue doesn't happen in older GPUs i've exchanged my card for a R9 390X..same drivers..and the issue IS NOT present. So i think it comes down to NAVI architecture support on Vegas Pro 17.. openGL related? Thanks!