Please help!!!!....24-bit Pitfalls and more.

JoeDoria wrote on 2/13/2000, 1:42 PM
I have finally been able to use Vegas (delta 1010 driver
woes ironed out....as of yet).
I must say I am very impressed with Vegas, great job so
far!!!

But...there are some problems. Please help if you can

1. Why is vegas saving audio as 32-bit files...when I
specified 24-bit for the audio project?
How do I set it to only record/save as 24-bit?
I verified my project properties over and over...but it
still won't record 24-bit files only....it's recording as
32-bit, 44.1. when I set it for 24-bit.

I must be losing my mind. There's gotta be a reason...or
maybe way and I'm just not seeing it. I've re-read the help.

Why?: when I open up wavelab to edit each file separately,
it says it can't read the file. Wrong format.
I'm just trying to edit these files and then save a copy of
them for backup via Wavelab 2.0.
Why amI getting the file format errors (because it's 32-bit
audio is my guess)

Even worse: To work around this, I tried re-saving the
file(s) using a diferent route....

- using Vegas go - FILE-SAVE AS....
- speciying .wav extension...not .veg
- specifying 24-bit mono (custom)

Now....I CAN open the projects audio files in Wavelab for
editing (24-bit files)....but IT MIXES ALL THE .WAVS IN
DOING THIS!!!!!!! arrrgh....
(PAINFULLY FOUND THIS OUT THE HARD WAY....man I was stupid.
Live and learn I guess...but wow...it's somewhat easy to
miss that copy all media checkbox)

Meaning: if I re-saved just the drums the above way in
Vegas so I can open it in Wavelab, it saves ALL the audio
in all other tracks as well....so each track I re-saved is
now a mix of all instead of it's own separate track.

yes - it is stated in the help file that it creates a mix
if you look closely.
Shit....oh well, we live and learn...but those were some
nice drum/perc takes

But....IT STILL DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHY I CAN'T OPEN UP THE
FILES IN WAVELAB AFTER RECORDING IN VEGAS...or HOW DO YOU
SET VEGAS TO ONLY RECORD 24-BIT/448 mono FILES????

After recording my 24-bit project in vegas, I can open up
the separate .wavs in COOLEDIT PRO 1.2 (it handles 32-bit
files)...but I would much rather use my wavelab for editing
24-bit audio (used to it). I can't...it won't read the
format.

What is going on? Did I miss something?

ALSO*************

It would be great to make it more obvious to save a
projects wav files all in it's own folders (aside from the
temp directory). It makes for confusing audio managment.
Possibly a dialog as a reminder if you want to save each
track to it's own designtaed drive/folder?

ALSO 2*******************

Please test, test and re-test functionality with using ALL
direct-x plug-ins with vegas. I am getting the occasional
crash when using say even 2-3 fx busses with 1-2..maybe 3
plug-ins each, and I'm reading a lot of posts with similar
problems.

Now I know that is a lot to ask but crashes when working
with sound/music...which sometimes happens only
once....doesn't sit well on the trust factor scale.

Now I believe in backups...so that saved me....but when the
app just gpf'd and closed so abruptly...it makes one wonder.
Others might not be that lucky...
It's happened once every 3-4-hour session (eh...not bad I
agree...but were talking about your takes here...not a
letter with pic to grandma)

It could turn many possible customers away....towards
hardware based units? I dunno....it just would be a smart
plan of attack.

You are SF though.......you have an excellent track record
for creating usefull apps, fixing the problems,supporting
all hardware, and treating the customer well. I'm sure all
these little quirks will be put to rest soon.
AND I'M DEFINITELY NOT RULING OUT MIDIMANS DELTA 1010
LATEST DRIVERS - they could be the culprit as well even
though they are stated as 100% compatible.


I have a clean re-install of win98(updated), Midiman Delta
1010, Vegas, Wavelab, PII 450 196 ram, 4 scsi HD's (1 cuda,
and 3 cheeta) all running wide on adap-2940uw. System and
setup are tip-top.

** can't go to NT just yet.

Please help with this 24-bit issue though.
Thanks,
joe

Comments

pops wrote on 2/15/2000, 10:01 AM
joe:
one of the problems is
wavelab can't read mono files
wavelab CAN read 32 bit files
in order to edit wav files from vegas you must first
mix the individual mono track to a stereo file:
1. solo the track you want to bring to wavelab and only that track.
2. select mix to new track (up in the menus somewhere)
3. set your new track settings to 24 bit stereo in the mix to new
track window.
4. open the new stereo file in wavelab

that should do it
there is also an option in wavelab to 'open mono files as stereo
files' which may allow you to avoid the above steps. i haven't tried
that yet.
this is another reason that i eagerly anticipate the release of a SF
that will work with 24 bit files!

secondly,
i was having the same thing with the 24 bit files being written as 32
bit files. it was driving me crazy too. peter haller sent me a fix
for that which you can send him an e-mail about. or- if i can find a
copy of our discussion i'll send it to you.

my guess is that you are using a PIII, right?
-pops


Joe Doria wrote:
>>I have finally been able to use Vegas (delta 1010 driver
>>woes ironed out....as of yet).
>>I must say I am very impressed with Vegas, great job so
>>far!!!
>>
>>But...there are some problems. Please help if you can
>>
>>1. Why is vegas saving audio as 32-bit files...when I
>>specified 24-bit for the audio project?
>>How do I set it to only record/save as 24-bit?
>>I verified my project properties over and over...but it
>>still won't record 24-bit files only....it's recording as
>>32-bit, 44.1. when I set it for 24-bit.
>>
>>I must be losing my mind. There's gotta be a reason...or
>>maybe way and I'm just not seeing it. I've re-read the help.
>>
>>Why?: when I open up wavelab to edit each file separately,
>>it says it can't read the file. Wrong format.
>>I'm just trying to edit these files and then save a copy of
>>them for backup via Wavelab 2.0.
>>Why amI getting the file format errors (because it's 32-bit
>>audio is my guess)
>>
>>Even worse: To work around this, I tried re-saving the
>>file(s) using a diferent route....
>>
>>- using Vegas go - FILE-SAVE AS....
>>- speciying .wav extension...not .veg
>>- specifying 24-bit mono (custom)
>>
>>Now....I CAN open the projects audio files in Wavelab for
>>editing (24-bit files)....but IT MIXES ALL THE .WAVS IN
>>DOING THIS!!!!!!! arrrgh....
>>(PAINFULLY FOUND THIS OUT THE HARD WAY....man I was stupid.
>>Live and learn I guess...but wow...it's somewhat easy to
>>miss that copy all media checkbox)
>>
>>Meaning: if I re-saved just the drums the above way in
>>Vegas so I can open it in Wavelab, it saves ALL the audio
>>in all other tracks as well....so each track I re-saved is
>>now a mix of all instead of it's own separate track.
>>
>>yes - it is stated in the help file that it creates a mix
>>if you look closely.
>>Shit....oh well, we live and learn...but those were some
>>nice drum/perc takes
>>
>>But....IT STILL DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHY I CAN'T OPEN UP THE
>>FILES IN WAVELAB AFTER RECORDING IN VEGAS...or HOW DO YOU
>>SET VEGAS TO ONLY RECORD 24-BIT/448 mono FILES????
>>
>>After recording my 24-bit project in vegas, I can open up
>>the separate .wavs in COOLEDIT PRO 1.2 (it handles 32-bit
>>files)...but I would much rather use my wavelab for editing
>>24-bit audio (used to it). I can't...it won't read the
>>format.
>>
>>What is going on? Did I miss something?
>>
>>ALSO*************
>>
>>It would be great to make it more obvious to save a
>>projects wav files all in it's own folders (aside from the
>>temp directory). It makes for confusing audio managment.
>>Possibly a dialog as a reminder if you want to save each
>>track to it's own designtaed drive/folder?
>>
>>ALSO 2*******************
>>
>>Please test, test and re-test functionality with using ALL
>>direct-x plug-ins with vegas. I am getting the occasional
>>crash when using say even 2-3 fx busses with 1-2..maybe 3
>>plug-ins each, and I'm reading a lot of posts with similar
>>problems.
>>
>>Now I know that is a lot to ask but crashes when working
>>with sound/music...which sometimes happens only
>>once....doesn't sit well on the trust factor scale.
>>
>>Now I believe in backups...so that saved me....but when the
>>app just gpf'd and closed so abruptly...it makes one wonder.
>>Others might not be that lucky...
>>It's happened once every 3-4-hour session (eh...not bad I
>>agree...but were talking about your takes here...not a
>>letter with pic to grandma)
>>
>>It could turn many possible customers away....towards
>>hardware based units? I dunno....it just would be a smart
>>plan of attack.
>>
>>You are SF though.......you have an excellent track record
>>for creating usefull apps, fixing the problems,supporting
>>all hardware, and treating the customer well. I'm sure all
>>these little quirks will be put to rest soon.
>>AND I'M DEFINITELY NOT RULING OUT MIDIMANS DELTA 1010
>>LATEST DRIVERS - they could be the culprit as well even
>>though they are stated as 100% compatible.
>>
>>
>>I have a clean re-install of win98(updated), Midiman Delta
>>1010, Vegas, Wavelab, PII 450 196 ram, 4 scsi HD's (1 cuda,
>>and 3 cheeta) all running wide on adap-2940uw. System and
>>setup are tip-top.
>>
>>** can't go to NT just yet.
>>
>>Please help with this 24-bit issue though.
>>Thanks,
>>joe
JoeDoria wrote on 2/15/2000, 11:45 AM
No. I am using PII 450. Is there something I should know about PIII
and vegas?

Peter sent me the fix information and all looks good.

Can anybody tell me a rough estimate on how much the 24-bit sForge
upgrade will be btw?

Thanks,
JoeD

Pops Pops wrote:
>>joe:
>>one of the problems is
>>wavelab can't read mono files
>>wavelab CAN read 32 bit files
>>in order to edit wav files from vegas you must first
>>mix the individual mono track to a stereo file:
>>1. solo the track you want to bring to wavelab and only that track.
>>2. select mix to new track (up in the menus somewhere)
>>3. set your new track settings to 24 bit stereo in the mix to new
>>track window.
>>4. open the new stereo file in wavelab
>>
>>that should do it
>>there is also an option in wavelab to 'open mono files as stereo
>>files' which may allow you to avoid the above steps. i haven't
tried
>>that yet.
>>this is another reason that i eagerly anticipate the release of a
SF
>>that will work with 24 bit files!
>>
>>secondly,
>>i was having the same thing with the 24 bit files being written as
32
>>bit files. it was driving me crazy too. peter haller sent me a
fix
>>for that which you can send him an e-mail about. or- if i can find
a
>>copy of our discussion i'll send it to you.
>>
>>my guess is that you are using a PIII, right?
>>-pops
>>
>>
>>Joe Doria wrote:
>>>>I have finally been able to use Vegas (delta 1010 driver
>>>>woes ironed out....as of yet).
>>>>I must say I am very impressed with Vegas, great job so
>>>>far!!!
>>>>
>>>>But...there are some problems. Please help if you can
>>>>
>>>>1. Why is vegas saving audio as 32-bit files...when I
>>>>specified 24-bit for the audio project?
>>>>How do I set it to only record/save as 24-bit?
>>>>I verified my project properties over and over...but it
>>>>still won't record 24-bit files only....it's recording as
>>>>32-bit, 44.1. when I set it for 24-bit.
>>>>
>>>>I must be losing my mind. There's gotta be a reason...or
>>>>maybe way and I'm just not seeing it. I've re-read the help.
>>>>
>>>>Why?: when I open up wavelab to edit each file separately,
>>>>it says it can't read the file. Wrong format.
>>>>I'm just trying to edit these files and then save a copy of
>>>>them for backup via Wavelab 2.0.
>>>>Why amI getting the file format errors (because it's 32-bit
>>>>audio is my guess)
>>>>
>>>>Even worse: To work around this, I tried re-saving the
>>>>file(s) using a diferent route....
>>>>
>>>>- using Vegas go - FILE-SAVE AS....
>>>>- speciying .wav extension...not .veg
>>>>- specifying 24-bit mono (custom)
>>>>
>>>>Now....I CAN open the projects audio files in Wavelab for
>>>>editing (24-bit files)....but IT MIXES ALL THE .WAVS IN
>>>>DOING THIS!!!!!!! arrrgh....
>>>>(PAINFULLY FOUND THIS OUT THE HARD WAY....man I was stupid.
>>>>Live and learn I guess...but wow...it's somewhat easy to
>>>>miss that copy all media checkbox)
>>>>
>>>>Meaning: if I re-saved just the drums the above way in
>>>>Vegas so I can open it in Wavelab, it saves ALL the audio
>>>>in all other tracks as well....so each track I re-saved is
>>>>now a mix of all instead of it's own separate track.
>>>>
>>>>yes - it is stated in the help file that it creates a mix
>>>>if you look closely.
>>>>Shit....oh well, we live and learn...but those were some
>>>>nice drum/perc takes
>>>>
>>>>But....IT STILL DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHY I CAN'T OPEN UP THE
>>>>FILES IN WAVELAB AFTER RECORDING IN VEGAS...or HOW DO YOU
>>>>SET VEGAS TO ONLY RECORD 24-BIT/448 mono FILES????
>>>>
>>>>After recording my 24-bit project in vegas, I can open up
>>>>the separate .wavs in COOLEDIT PRO 1.2 (it handles 32-bit
>>>>files)...but I would much rather use my wavelab for editing
>>>>24-bit audio (used to it). I can't...it won't read the
>>>>format.
>>>>
>>>>What is going on? Did I miss something?
>>>>
>>>>ALSO*************
>>>>
>>>>It would be great to make it more obvious to save a
>>>>projects wav files all in it's own folders (aside from the
>>>>temp directory). It makes for confusing audio managment.
>>>>Possibly a dialog as a reminder if you want to save each
>>>>track to it's own designtaed drive/folder?
>>>>
>>>>ALSO 2*******************
>>>>
>>>>Please test, test and re-test functionality with using ALL
>>>>direct-x plug-ins with vegas. I am getting the occasional
>>>>crash when using say even 2-3 fx busses with 1-2..maybe 3
>>>>plug-ins each, and I'm reading a lot of posts with similar
>>>>problems.
>>>>
>>>>Now I know that is a lot to ask but crashes when working
>>>>with sound/music...which sometimes happens only
>>>>once....doesn't sit well on the trust factor scale.
>>>>
>>>>Now I believe in backups...so that saved me....but when the
>>>>app just gpf'd and closed so abruptly...it makes one wonder.
>>>>Others might not be that lucky...
>>>>It's happened once every 3-4-hour session (eh...not bad I
>>>>agree...but were talking about your takes here...not a
>>>>letter with pic to grandma)
>>>>
>>>>It could turn many possible customers away....towards
>>>>hardware based units? I dunno....it just would be a smart
>>>>plan of attack.
>>>>
>>>>You are SF though.......you have an excellent track record
>>>>for creating usefull apps, fixing the problems,supporting
>>>>all hardware, and treating the customer well. I'm sure all
>>>>these little quirks will be put to rest soon.
>>>>AND I'M DEFINITELY NOT RULING OUT MIDIMANS DELTA 1010
>>>>LATEST DRIVERS - they could be the culprit as well even
>>>>though they are stated as 100% compatible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I have a clean re-install of win98(updated), Midiman Delta
>>>>1010, Vegas, Wavelab, PII 450 196 ram, 4 scsi HD's (1 cuda,
>>>>and 3 cheeta) all running wide on adap-2940uw. System and
>>>>setup are tip-top.
>>>>
>>>>** can't go to NT just yet.
>>>>
>>>>Please help with this 24-bit issue though.
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>joe
JoeDoria wrote on 2/21/2000, 5:12 PM
Wavelab reads mono 16, 24, and 32 bit files just fine here.
Just thought you might want to know.

I needed to apply a workaround suggested by SF and another email I
received. It solved the 24-bit dilemna.

Thanks,
JoeD


Pops Pops wrote:
>>joe:
>>one of the problems is
>>wavelab can't read mono files
>>wavelab CAN read 32 bit files
>>in order to edit wav files from vegas you must first
>>mix the individual mono track to a stereo file:
>>1. solo the track you want to bring to wavelab and only that track.
>>2. select mix to new track (up in the menus somewhere)
>>3. set your new track settings to 24 bit stereo in the mix to new
>>track window.
>>4. open the new stereo file in wavelab
>>
>>that should do it
>>there is also an option in wavelab to 'open mono files as stereo
>>files' which may allow you to avoid the above steps. i haven't
tried
>>that yet.
>>this is another reason that i eagerly anticipate the release of a
SF
>>that will work with 24 bit files!
>>
>>secondly,
>>i was having the same thing with the 24 bit files being written as
32
>>bit files. it was driving me crazy too. peter haller sent me a
fix
>>for that which you can send him an e-mail about. or- if i can find
a
>>copy of our discussion i'll send it to you.
>>
>>my guess is that you are using a PIII, right?
>>-pops
>>
>>
>>Joe Doria wrote:
>>>>I have finally been able to use Vegas (delta 1010 driver
>>>>woes ironed out....as of yet).
>>>>I must say I am very impressed with Vegas, great job so
>>>>far!!!
>>>>
>>>>But...there are some problems. Please help if you can
>>>>
>>>>1. Why is vegas saving audio as 32-bit files...when I
>>>>specified 24-bit for the audio project?
>>>>How do I set it to only record/save as 24-bit?
>>>>I verified my project properties over and over...but it
>>>>still won't record 24-bit files only....it's recording as
>>>>32-bit, 44.1. when I set it for 24-bit.
>>>>
>>>>I must be losing my mind. There's gotta be a reason...or
>>>>maybe way and I'm just not seeing it. I've re-read the help.
>>>>
>>>>Why?: when I open up wavelab to edit each file separately,
>>>>it says it can't read the file. Wrong format.
>>>>I'm just trying to edit these files and then save a copy of
>>>>them for backup via Wavelab 2.0.
>>>>Why amI getting the file format errors (because it's 32-bit
>>>>audio is my guess)
>>>>
>>>>Even worse: To work around this, I tried re-saving the
>>>>file(s) using a diferent route....
>>>>
>>>>- using Vegas go - FILE-SAVE AS....
>>>>- speciying .wav extension...not .veg
>>>>- specifying 24-bit mono (custom)
>>>>
>>>>Now....I CAN open the projects audio files in Wavelab for
>>>>editing (24-bit files)....but IT MIXES ALL THE .WAVS IN
>>>>DOING THIS!!!!!!! arrrgh....
>>>>(PAINFULLY FOUND THIS OUT THE HARD WAY....man I was stupid.
>>>>Live and learn I guess...but wow...it's somewhat easy to
>>>>miss that copy all media checkbox)
>>>>
>>>>Meaning: if I re-saved just the drums the above way in
>>>>Vegas so I can open it in Wavelab, it saves ALL the audio
>>>>in all other tracks as well....so each track I re-saved is
>>>>now a mix of all instead of it's own separate track.
>>>>
>>>>yes - it is stated in the help file that it creates a mix
>>>>if you look closely.
>>>>Shit....oh well, we live and learn...but those were some
>>>>nice drum/perc takes
>>>>
>>>>But....IT STILL DOESN'T EXPLAIN WHY I CAN'T OPEN UP THE
>>>>FILES IN WAVELAB AFTER RECORDING IN VEGAS...or HOW DO YOU
>>>>SET VEGAS TO ONLY RECORD 24-BIT/448 mono FILES????
>>>>
>>>>After recording my 24-bit project in vegas, I can open up
>>>>the separate .wavs in COOLEDIT PRO 1.2 (it handles 32-bit
>>>>files)...but I would much rather use my wavelab for editing
>>>>24-bit audio (used to it). I can't...it won't read the
>>>>format.
>>>>
>>>>What is going on? Did I miss something?
>>>>
>>>>ALSO*************
>>>>
>>>>It would be great to make it more obvious to save a
>>>>projects wav files all in it's own folders (aside from the
>>>>temp directory). It makes for confusing audio managment.
>>>>Possibly a dialog as a reminder if you want to save each
>>>>track to it's own designtaed drive/folder?
>>>>
>>>>ALSO 2*******************
>>>>
>>>>Please test, test and re-test functionality with using ALL
>>>>direct-x plug-ins with vegas. I am getting the occasional
>>>>crash when using say even 2-3 fx busses with 1-2..maybe 3
>>>>plug-ins each, and I'm reading a lot of posts with similar
>>>>problems.
>>>>
>>>>Now I know that is a lot to ask but crashes when working
>>>>with sound/music...which sometimes happens only
>>>>once....doesn't sit well on the trust factor scale.
>>>>
>>>>Now I believe in backups...so that saved me....but when the
>>>>app just gpf'd and closed so abruptly...it makes one wonder.
>>>>Others might not be that lucky...
>>>>It's happened once every 3-4-hour session (eh...not bad I
>>>>agree...but were talking about your takes here...not a
>>>>letter with pic to grandma)
>>>>
>>>>It could turn many possible customers away....towards
>>>>hardware based units? I dunno....it just would be a smart
>>>>plan of attack.
>>>>
>>>>You are SF though.......you have an excellent track record
>>>>for creating usefull apps, fixing the problems,supporting
>>>>all hardware, and treating the customer well. I'm sure all
>>>>these little quirks will be put to rest soon.
>>>>AND I'M DEFINITELY NOT RULING OUT MIDIMANS DELTA 1010
>>>>LATEST DRIVERS - they could be the culprit as well even
>>>>though they are stated as 100% compatible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I have a clean re-install of win98(updated), Midiman Delta
>>>>1010, Vegas, Wavelab, PII 450 196 ram, 4 scsi HD's (1 cuda,
>>>>and 3 cheeta) all running wide on adap-2940uw. System and
>>>>setup are tip-top.
>>>>
>>>>** can't go to NT just yet.
>>>>
>>>>Please help with this 24-bit issue though.
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>joe