Pls Check: SF9 to VP8 Save As "Take"?

Grazie wrote on 10/21/2007, 2:48 AM
I use this often, and at present I am not seeing SF changes coming in as a changed "Take". Yes, I am getting a new take number, but NOT say something simple as a Volume increase in SF9 coming back to VP8 as BIGGER waveforms NOR increase in audio.

Works fine going from SF8 > V7. But unless I am doing something incorrect I can't get this from SF9 > VP8.

TIA

Grazie

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rs170a wrote on 10/21/2007, 5:09 AM
Grazie, if I select "open copy in Sound Forge", I notice that the Vegas audio clip changes to Take 2 as soon as Sound Forge opens, even before I do anything to it.
Once I make a change (volume increase) and save it, the change shows up in the Vegas timeline. It still says Take 2 but now with increased volume.
BTW, this is from VO8 to SF9.

Mike
JJKizak wrote on 10/21/2007, 5:31 AM
No problem at all with SF9/V8 takes/changes.
JJK
Grazie wrote on 10/21/2007, 7:09 AM
Thanks guys . . I'll try again. Odd.

Grazie
Chienworks wrote on 10/21/2007, 8:39 AM
Any chance you recently started using "open in sound forge" instead of "open copy in sound forge"?
Grazie wrote on 10/21/2007, 12:56 PM

Open Copy In SF
Tom Pauncz wrote on 10/21/2007, 1:25 PM
Hey Grazie,
Not seeing what you are. SF9.0c and VP8.0a. Just processing volume in SF9, take shows up as bigger waveforms in 8.0a.
Tom
farss wrote on 10/21/2007, 1:51 PM
Basic question, does it sound any louder?
The waveform files might be what are getting muddled up.

Bob.
Tom Pauncz wrote on 10/21/2007, 1:57 PM
Yes it does, Bob. Considerably. I set the volume processing abnormally high just to check. The original was quite quiet.
Tom
Grazie wrote on 10/21/2007, 2:06 PM
Using the same Media:

V7 > SF8 save as > V7 - Louder

V8 > SF9 Save As > V8 - Not Louder

Tom Pauncz wrote on 10/21/2007, 2:12 PM
Grazie,
I sure cannot explain it. Works for me as it has always - thru' numerous versions and updates.
Tom
Grazie wrote on 10/21/2007, 2:19 PM
Thanks Tom. Apart from a "reality-check" I was ALSO hoping someone was going to say: "Hey G, have you turned on . . . ?" yeah?

As I say, V7>SF8>V7 is sweet as a nut.

Hmmm....

Grazie
Grazie wrote on 10/24/2007, 5:36 AM
OK ..

This IS what I am getting:

1- Open Copy in SF

2- I apply Volume, and "Save As" . . I've now used various Folders and HDs. SF saves this "Take" within the Folder and on the HD I choose. I've proved this and played the saved take and it is louder.

3- I go BACK to VP8 and I see a NEW take number on the timeline, but the previous audio is STILL in place, it is still quiet.

4- I look at the new TAKE in the Project Media - Take 14 - and "Explore the Containing Folder" and it is pointing AT Take 14 but NOT in the place I told SF to place it. It is choosing the PREVIOUS place I chose SF to place it!! BUT it has the new Take name?!?? AND it is definitely quiet - no Volume added.

5- So, still within VP8 I replace the quiet "Take 14" with the louder "Take 14" and I, of course, I get a louder audio AND the Waveforms are bigger - as they should be.

It would appear that my folder naming and thence the subsequent "take" presentation within VP8 is out of sequence.

SF is doing the job correctly, in making audio louder - phew! - but this auto "take" replacement is not working as it it used to.

As you can imagine, any remedy/assistance on this would be greatly appreciated!

TIA

Grazie


Grazie wrote on 10/24/2007, 6:25 AM
Fool!

I said "As it used to" . .well I was wrong. It is working - as it used to - and is STILL working as it used.

I had forgotten something. And that was the "Recent" option within the "Saved As" menu. Well, 'cos I usually hit the "Save As Icon", I kinda accepted that the new takes would go back to my source folder. Nope! Quite corectly SF was/is doing what it LAST did.

In between projects I converted some royalty free audio, from CDA to WAV - yes, via SF - and saved this RF music away from my current project.

On I go, innocently editing away and so on, but then I come to wanting to do some audio manips in SF.

"Open Copy in SF" and when I save, I, unknowingly, also got a save to this royalty free folder; switch to VP8 and NEW take info is appearing; the new take info and waveform BACK with the source AVI folder but using the EXSISTING quiet original source audio BUT named as TAKE 2!!!

Frustrating? Just a tad . . or three!

My apologies for wasting your time,

Grazie
farss wrote on 10/24/2007, 7:02 AM
Why you use Save As anyway?

When you click Open Copy... in Vegas it's already created a new take. So you can just Save that in SF.
Doing your way you're potentially messing up the flow and / or creating another copy of the original track for nothing.

Bob.
Grazie wrote on 10/24/2007, 7:24 AM
Bob! You are so correct. Just using SAVE would be enough - yeah? But would I be saving the SF Project OR% just the returing WAV file?

So that was 2 things that I was twisting myself around with.

Grazie
farss wrote on 10/24/2007, 7:34 AM
When you click Save in SF you're saving the audio file, overwriting the Take that Vegas created.

SF doesn't have a project file as such, well not that I know of, which is why it's a destructive editor.

Bob.
Grazie wrote on 10/24/2007, 7:37 AM
"overwriting the Take that Vegas created"

ok ... g
MarkWWW wrote on 10/24/2007, 12:13 PM
"SF doesn't have a project file as such, well not that I know of, which is why it's a destructive editor."

SF never used to have a project file, but the current version does. The .frg project file format was introduced in SF8 (I think), allowing you to work in a non-destructive way (as well as in the old destructive way).

Mark