Possible to have realtime MPEG2 Export?

Garret008 wrote on 11/23/2005, 8:32 AM
Is it physically possible for the MainConcept encoder in V6 to export in realtime to MPEG2 (in the DVD Architect template) from the timeline...even if there are no effects added...? Has anyone been able to achieve this using DV25 footage?
I would like to know what kind of system is necessary to achieve a realtime export...(1 hour timeline...1 hour render) Thanks!

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Spot|DSE wrote on 11/23/2005, 8:43 AM
With no FX added, it should be faster than realtime on most any 3GHz or faster system. (DV to MPEG 2)
Chienworks wrote on 11/23/2005, 9:27 AM
I'm running a 2.6GHz Celeron at the moment and straight DV->MPEG2 single pass encoding is close to real time. I think it takes me about 70 minutes to encode 60 minutes of video. As Douglas points out though, adding any effects, crossfades, titles, compositing, etc, and the process slows down dramatically.
Jsnkc wrote on 11/23/2005, 9:55 AM
Athlon 64 bit chip + 2 Gigs of ram gives me realtime rendering to MPEG-2 sometimes even a little faster than that.
DGrob wrote on 11/23/2005, 10:27 AM
AMD dual core 4800+ with 2 gigs = 49 minutes of cuts only project in 45 minutes of render video stream. Add audio it's 1:1. Darryl
Spot|DSE wrote on 11/23/2005, 10:30 AM
Don'cha just LOVE those AMD X2s? :-)
Garret008 wrote on 11/23/2005, 10:51 AM
Thanks everyone...I will invest in a monster pc then...as for fx...where should I invest more muscle to speed up the rendering process? RAM or CPU? Realtime previews are not as important to me as the render to MPEG2...thanks again!
Chienworks wrote on 11/23/2005, 12:08 PM
CPU. If you have enough RAM for Vegas to launch then you've got about as much as you'll ever need. More RAM won't speed up rendering.

Except ... if you use lots of large still image files. Then more RAM helps a lot.
johnmeyer wrote on 11/23/2005, 12:44 PM
AMD dual core 4800+ with 2 gigs = 49 minutes of cuts only project in 45 minutes of render video stream.

I must be missing something in what metric is being measured. My three-year-old 2.8GHz P4 (no hyperthreading) can encode MPEG-2 using the Default DVD template (the template used can make a big difference) in very close to real time. I would expect a dual core system to blow this away. I would have expected something close to 1/2 real time, or about 25 minutes.
Garret008 wrote on 11/23/2005, 2:27 PM
How can I achieve the fastest possible results with MPEG2 export then (ie beyond real time)? I am in the event videography business, and the faster I can turn around an edited video the better...I always consider going to Premiere for the hardware options, but the DVStorm has been phased out and the rtx1000 is an old solution to realtime editing. I want to continue using vegas, but I really would like faster turnarounds for my MPEG2 exports...Any special hard disk configurations I should consider, for instance? Continued thanks!
t-keats wrote on 11/23/2005, 4:12 PM
Straight cuts and things fly right along.

Add ANY effects - especially layering or cropping or reframing, zooming etc and rendering is a slow process regardless of your box.
DGrob wrote on 11/23/2005, 5:30 PM
johnmeyer - "I would have expected something close to 1/2 real time, or about 25 minutes." Of course you're right. I need to be specific.

49:35:13 minute project (89,173 frames SD NTSC).
File-Render As-Default MainConcept mpeg2 = 30.01 minutes.
Batch Render straight to DVDA NTSC stream = real time.

Darryl
Chienworks wrote on 11/23/2005, 5:34 PM
Darryl, are you using two-pass rendering? That might account for the difference.
DGrob wrote on 11/23/2005, 6:55 PM
Chienworks: you know, I'm not sure how to check the settings using the batch render script. Remembering that with batch render I go straight to the DVDA video streams.

Using the File-Render As-MainConcept MPEG-2 and selecting Custom-Video tab shows I'm using variable bit rate with conventional settings without Two-pass checked. I'd always assumed my default setting using the render engine determined the setting accessed via batch rendering.

Darryl
johnmeyer wrote on 11/23/2005, 7:34 PM
How can I achieve the fastest possible results with MPEG2 export

In addition to using a fast computer, you should also consider using an external MPEG-2 encoder. The MainConcept encoder in Vegas provides excellent quality, especially with 2-pass (although 2-pass doesn't buy too much until you get below 6,000,000 bps average encoding rate). However, their external encoder is considerably faster. You can frameserve directly to it (using Satish's framesevrver).

Others can chime in here about Canopus and the other external encoders regarding their speed, but most of the externals are quite a bit faster. Certainly worth the money to get faster turnaround.
fldave wrote on 11/24/2005, 10:35 AM
I just tested my PC again, and got interesting results with a 1 minute clip, no effects at Good setting (P4 3.2, single core, HT-enabled, not a real screamer compared to the new machines)

NTSC DV avi to MPEG2 NTSC Wide:
1 minute 32 seconds
HDV Cineform v2.1 intermediate to MPEG2 NTSC Wide (resize during render):
1 minute 7 seconds

The decoding and downsizing of Cineform was faster than decoding of the NTSC DV! I ran both again, and got 1:28 and 1:08 respectively, so they are confirmed on my machine.
mikelinton wrote on 11/24/2005, 10:45 AM
I'm running a P4 3.2GHz HT, 1GB RAM system, and can render slightly faster than realtime.

Drive speed is also an issue I've found - render your MPEG2 file to a different drive, than your source material... it'll shave a few seconds off here and there.

I just rendered a 1 min, 21 s file in 1 min 4 seconds.

My P4 2.4GHz Laptop renders at just slightly slower than realtime. That same file, would probably take 1 min and 40 to render.

Mike.
fldave wrote on 11/24/2005, 11:18 AM
The times above are with the mpg video settings at High Video Quality setting (31).
I tried again at the "Default" settings with "Good" and Video Quality setting at 15 (which in real life you should never use):

HDV Cineform downsized to MPG2 widescreen: 42 seconds
NTSC DV to MPG2 widescreen: 47 seconds

Interesting how Cineform is still faster.