Premiere Pro 2.0 bummer

Coursedesign wrote on 2/10/2006, 5:39 PM
Anybody contemplating getting Adobe's new 40 lb. (!) Production Studio package (with PP, AE, Encore, Audition, and Bridge), consider this:

When you are done with editing video in PP and want to work on putting a smooth finish on the audio, perhaps even 5.1 audio, you can only "Edit in Audition" on a clip basis. This means that if you are working long-form and have say 100 clips, you have to roundtrip to Audition 100 times.

You can't open a whole project in Audition.

Very odd.

Comments

filmy wrote on 2/10/2006, 6:16 PM
To the best of my knowledge you can't do this with Vegas > Sound Forge either. So based on what the post said it seems PPro and Auditon have the same "clip" relationship as Vegas and Sound Forge have.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 2/10/2006, 6:25 PM
I belive the issue is that handling surround in Vegas is easy: vegas is also a sound mixing program. Premiere is not. So, if you wanted to do a nice surround mix with vegas you just use the SF plugins, edit on the per-sample level, pan the surround, etc.

PP doesn't do that. Audition is required. At least that's what I'm gathering.
[r]Evolution wrote on 2/10/2006, 7:05 PM
When editing w/ Vegas you do NOT have to leave Vegas to edit your audio! Unlike PremierePro & all the other NLE's... Vegas can handle all of your Audio needs as well. (minus MIDI) All in the same project & on the same timeline.
filmy wrote on 2/10/2006, 9:35 PM
>>> When editing w/ Vegas you do NOT have to leave Vegas to edit your audio! <<<

Not 100% true Lamont. ;)

I do simple audio edits in Vegas but for fine, detailed work, I use Sound Forge. And for the record I feel PPro can do, audio wise, just about all that Vegas can on the "timeline audio edit" front. However for the detailed work you need to go to another program - for Vegas that default program is Sound Forge, however you do have the option to assign another default editor. Since Adobe obtained CEP, Premiere has been using the renamed CEP, now called Audition, as the default program.

PPro can do Surround mixes from the timeline. However as I have pointed out in the past, I would never want to do a real final mix with PPro. Likewise I would never want do any sort of real detailed audio editing with Vegas.

I have told this story around these here parts before but I think it bears repeating now. Before Vegas Video I used Sound Forge. However I did not like the fact it did not have multi track. Cool Edit (Pro) did...so I would use it here and there. I also had come of the Amiga using Studio 16 and I was looking for a PC based replacement for it - really nothing existed. (For the most part nothing ever 'replaced' it) Sound Forge was close in it's layout and being able to zoom in and see those pops and such. Also "real time" effects and such I loved. At one point I was hired by a radio network as an engineer and they used Cool Edit. I tried to get them to switch over to Sound Forge...but it lacked multi track, which Cool Edit Pro had, so it was a 'no sale'.

Now - enter Vegas Video/Audio. Ohh--ahh sez me. Sound Forge with Multi track. Well - almost, but not really...but still liked it better than CEP. At that time didn't like it for editing video however...but that is skipping ahead (or is that forward, back in time?). Point here is that at the time Vegas was heading to audio and mixing, Sound Forge was a great Audio editor, Premiere was about to be taken more seriously as an NLE. So many, so close, but not any one full package.

Over time I have heard the Vegas faithful jump in and say how Vegas was the first multi track editor or some other far from true comment and you know I really saw it more so when Adobe bought CEP. People tend to forget that audio wise CEP was there before Vegas was and when Adobe bought it CEP was already developed really well. All they did at the get go was to rename Cool Edit Pro 2.1 to Audition 1.0. I think Adobe is smart for trying to work closer with each item they have now and make them work a lot better together, yeah it does kind of suck to have to leave the timeline of one program to go to another but frankly I am used to that anyway because I would leave Premiere and go into Sound Forge. Having to do it from Vegas is just easier, likewise the 'built in" ability to go from PPro to Audition is as easy as well. Premiere Pro, like Vegas, does not edit audio to the detail that Audition and/or Sound Forge do.

But - and I feel I need to stress this - people are trying hard to make Vegas into a swiss army knife and there is really not any one program that is truly that. Vegas does a lot to be sure, but being able to edit audio the same way Sound Forge can is not one of them. And going back to the first post in this thread it is about having to export audio from PPro on a clip to clip level into Audition. if you look at Vegas you will see that , on a clip to clip level, you can open that clip in Sound Forge for editing.

As mixing software I would say Audition and Vegas are closer than Vegas and PPro are as NLEs. Vegas gets extra Brownie points for being able to mix and edit in the same program however. As A DAW - well, PPro is not now nor has it ever been a DAW. Vegas on the other hand - well I feel Vegas was more of a DAW than an NLE and really I think the details of that "war" are better left to those who use Vegas only as a DAW and those who use it only as an NLE.