preview o.k. - hsl adjust incorrect

taliesin wrote on 6/12/2002, 7:46 PM
O.k. - I finally found out what the render problem was/is.

It's not a preview issue, it's the hsl-adjust filter. I used it without changing any values to force VegasVideo using its codec when rendering.
I could have chosen whatever I liked but NOT the hsl-adjust.
This filter produces vertical lines onto a grey gradient test pattern.
I used it to state VegasVideo is able to handle the full rgb-range of 0 - 255. Most other NLEs do a clipping of black and white after a rendering then, but Canopus, Cinestreams RadiusDV, and VegasVideo codec do not touch the rgb range. Cool!!!

Furthermore none of all the other VV filters did any harm to the test pattern, it was only the hsl-adjust.

Marco

Comments

jetdv wrote on 6/13/2002, 9:36 AM
Why were you wanting to force a render of ALL frames? The only frames that normally get rendered are dissolves or where other controls are placed. The rest is simply COPIED straight from the camera. I don't understand the purpose of forcing the rest of the frames to render.
taliesin wrote on 6/13/2002, 1:36 PM
This was a render-test only, not an editing project. I'm just in the process of doing some codec comparisons including the Canopus codec, RadiusSoftDV and the VV codec.

I would NEVER trust in what the companies tell us about the quality of their codecs. In their opinion of course their own codec is always better than all others.
Most of the time this is nothing else but a lie.
I do always test this on my own. With own created test-sequences and test-patterns which are very close to the needs of my personal kind of work.

So for this test it was necessary to force a clip to be rendered but - if possible - without doing any changes to it. So I applied a filter which does not change anything but do only force a rendering.

I did not yet finish these tests but it looks like THE VV CODEC REALLY IS THE BEST OF ALL AVAILABLE DV-CODECS!!!!!

Wow!!! Pretty good job they did on VegasVideo. Regarding the quality you can't get any better NLE near this price range. I decided to use VegasVideo for sound mastering and mixing of video stuff only. But the more insight I get into VegasVideo the more I am also happily surprised about it's power on the video site.

Marco
jetdv wrote on 6/13/2002, 1:54 PM
Ah, now I understand. So, are you going to switch from Cinestream? I have found myself using VV over CS more and more lately. It's good to hear the SOFO codec is so good.

Edward
taliesin wrote on 6/13/2002, 2:02 PM
Edward!? - I think I can remember you from the CS list. Funny to meet you here again. But you are not the "Gituar-Player-And Singer-Ed", are you?

I'm not sure if I gonna make a real switch to VV. For my kind of work CS seems to be the perfect NLE, except of some sound lacks.
I'm not sure whether VV will offer me same workflow. And even the media management I have on CS in the cooperation with CatDV is a very good reason to stay with CS for my regular editing. You won't find anything like this maybe expect of in Avid.
But there are so much things I did not yet discover on VV.
So for now I will use VV for sound and maybe some compositings. Time will tell ... ;-)

Marco
jetdv wrote on 6/13/2002, 2:16 PM
No, I'm not the "Gituar-Player-And Singer-Ed" but I am on the CS list, dv-editors, and "friends" lists.

I still like CS a lot. The workflow is very good in CS. However, we have recently started making a LOT of video scrapbooks. I did a 24 picture project in CS and it literally disappeared several times while making the project and rendering the project. Also, the Pan/Scan is REALLY awkward to use.

In contrast, last night I made a 32 picture project in VV, set it to render, and went to bed. It was all ready this morning for putting onto tape. For picture placement, Track Motion is MUCH BETTER than Pan/Scan in CS.

While the bulk of our work is two or three camera shoots (usually weddings), I have found Vegas to be very flexible in editing and, while using my XL-1's, I can capture a full tape straight without worrying about sound sync. Now, if it could just capture Stereo 2!

Track Motion and sound sync (not to mention all of VV's sound tools) are two of the main reasons I have started editing more and more in VV instead of CS. The only thing I *really* miss in CS is the ability to save custom filters (such as titles) with all keyframes intact and the way backgrounds are handled in CS's title filter. The general switching between cameras and adding dissolves between the switches is a fairly straight-forward process. For "right now", the balance is tilting slightly toward VV.

Edward
FadeToBlack wrote on 6/13/2002, 2:33 PM
jetdv wrote on 6/13/2002, 2:38 PM
Thanks, GG. I also appreciate the help you have given me to get to the point I currently am with VV (mainly at WWUG). It was also good to see you return posting to "friends", wwug, and here.

Edward
taliesin wrote on 6/13/2002, 4:44 PM
Ah, I see. You're coming not far from the place where "Blues Brothers" were acting, yes?

Maybe if we talk about VV in 6 months I don't even think about CS. Time is running very short for me at the moment. I have so much editing to do there is no chance to take a real deep look into VV or even to switch to it.
But any time I start that proggi I do make some progress and Gary is a truely good helper.
Any time I thought "Oh, this seems to be rather complicated" I had to learn I took the most complicated way available. And after some teaching I found "No! - It is really that easy?!"

Yeah, it makes fun ...

See you both soon at any of these lists ;-)

Marco