Print to tape mixed 4:3 & 16:9

Rick K wrote on 8/28/2005, 1:49 PM
It's just vaction video folks. Alaskan cruise. OK, lets bring the XL1 this trip. Started in 4:3. At the Hubbard Glacier, switched to 16:9. Edited, mixed sound, added music, made DVD..no problem. Looks good. But my 88 year old father won't buy a DVD player. So lets print to tape. This has worked great before. But not this time. It' mixed. 1 hour ten minutes. A little 4:3 at first and at the end. After an hour or so it either gets stuck on one of the last prerenders like 306 out of 308 or a non specific error that aborts Vegas. Figured there was some kind of corrupted file so went looking for it by PTT abbreviated parts of the project. No luck doing that. Finally figured out the little blue markers at the top show what's been rendered. So I looked at the prerendered files. What a mess. 1 hour 10 minutes but only about 40 minutes is usable. The other 20 minutes here and there lacks sound, is still, has blips of sound in it, is interlaced with other video. Only consistency seems to be its the same files that refuse to render properly. Tried variations, PTT all 4:3, PTT 16:9. Its goofy and I've been working on this off and on for about a week now. Out of ideas. MPG2 didn't care.

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rs170a wrote on 8/28/2005, 2:27 PM
Why not just do a DVD to VHS copy?
Or buy him one yourself. They're very cheap these days.

Mike
Rick K wrote on 8/28/2005, 6:54 PM
WHat a great idea..
Anyone else?
JohnnyRoy wrote on 8/28/2005, 7:03 PM
A DVD to VHS copy would be my first choice. Even though I have the capability to print to tape from the timeline using my ADS Pyro A/V Link, I don’t. I only make DVD’s. If someone needs a VHS copy, I tell them to spring for $59 and buy a DVD player. If that doesn’t work, I make a VHS from the DVD. Since this is your grandfather, splurge the $59 and buy him a DVD player. It’ll be one less person to make VHS tapes for. ;-)

My other suggestion was to take the 4:3 footage and crop it to 16:9 and re-render make the whole thing 16:9 even for the DVD. (then make him a VHS from the DVD anyway) :-D

~jr
filmy wrote on 8/28/2005, 7:31 PM
Not sure about the PTT issue - but somehow I do not think it is the aspect ratio causing it. I have mixed ratios and never had issues, however I did have issues with 24p and PTT at one time. Are you doing any sort of mixed frame rates?

If not than try to get rid of all the temp files and try again. I know sometimes when you do a PTT you may get an error - unpecified as you said. And in my case I have changed settings (Again this is in a 24p PTT) and it does not re-render anything and you get the same error. So I am saying the problem file(s) are still there and are not deleted when you change PTT settings.

You said the MPG render was fine so, as has been suggested, you could just burn a DVD and than you make a VHS copy off your DVD. That would solve the proplem of getting a copy for your family. Once that is done go back into the project and try to trouble shoot - I would first try deleting all the temp files and than doing a selective PTT. Actually you might try that now - highlight a section and hit PTT. If the section works than move on to another section. Overall if it starts to play out fine that section is probably safe, so you wouldn't have to view th eentire section to save time.

As for the "buy a DVD" player idea that could be an option as well - Cyberhome makes a nice unit that most places (Best Buy, Wal Mart, Target) have for under 30 bucks. Has Progressive (720p) out, plays PAL and NTSC, plays MP3 and JPG and, as long as bit rates are ok, raw MPG files as well. But that still wouldn't solve the issue of why it isn't doing a PTT.
Rick K wrote on 9/1/2005, 7:57 PM
I would like to resurrect this.
Yeah, I might just r'ecord from DVD. But why doesn't it work. First thing I discovered was I had interlace every .25 seconds selected. Corrected that. Convinced it has nothing to do with mixing 4:3 and 16:9. Print to DV Tape, runs until the next to last file which is always a *.W64 file. goes to 1%. time counts down to zero, time elapsed continues to count up. looking at the W64 file and notice its not getting bigger. ANd you can't cancel out of it. You have to abort Vegas 5.0, send an error report to microsoft and start over. What is this? Doesn't matter where you start in the project.
filmy wrote on 9/1/2005, 9:11 PM
The W64 file is the audio. Vegas always renders this out for a PTT, can't get around it.
I seem to recall having this happen at one time and it had something to do with audio plug-ins. But it was ages ago, and it wasn't anything to do with Vegas 5. By default you vegas has some audio plug-ins enabled on each audio track. For the heck of it try to bypass all audio effects. Also maybe double check your audio settings - by default vegas has audio set at 41 k, change it to 48k. See if any of that helps.
jaegersing wrote on 9/1/2005, 10:54 PM
Hi Rick. Have you tried rendering to a single file, and then doing the PTT from that? This will overcome any file preparation issues by making sure everything is fully rendered before the writing to tape starts.

Richard Hunter
Rick K wrote on 9/2/2005, 7:02 AM
Hmmm. I tried rendering the whole file to Avi and then PTT. On playback the audio is broken, more off than on. Audio is set to 48,000. Think you are on to something. Probably an audio problem of some kind. This morning, I tried PTT on short segments. First 12 minutes self aborted but worked the second time. next 10 minutes self aborts with 'error cannot be determined' message. Tried it several time.
Tried DV to tape last night but my old DVD player won't recognize the 16:9 format. May have to steal the one out of the family room. Ready for this adventure to end. BUt PTT used to work. I'll need it again next week.