Taio Yuden Watershield Discs.

j razz

I use the TY watershield and they HAVE the same type of appearance. I think that is the state of the science at the moment. I love the look on those discs though.

Just know that Watershields are about double the cost of the rest.

You can get 100 8x Verbatims for 16 cents each right now, if you wait for a $14. rebate. at Meritline. I don't think they print all the way to the hub, more like a 45rpm record.
They're good quality discs. For a shine after printing dries, I still coat with clear Acrylic paint. Probably adds 2 cents to the cost, if you spray 10 or 12 at once

Or you can get TY Watershields for 59 cents ea in bulk.

Hi

I use TY as well - I used Ritek for a long time, but the quality was not so good in the last deliveries I got, so I use only TY now.

/Ulf

so I guess this same problem is true of TY and Verb and others?

It would be nice if the discs were opauqe 100%

TGS

I am interested in the spraying your disks. Please tell us more. What you use, how you do it, and what the result is.

I have heard of overcoat spraying by duplicators, but never thought of it in a small batch. I assume you use regular printable disks printed by inkjet.

David
www.EventVideoTeam.com

I'm not TGS but we used to spray discs. The watershield discs are better but if you want to try spraying we used :
http://www.discprint.com/uk/index.html

Worked quite well but like spraying anything, it smells, you need space and it's hard to get a good finish. The watershield finish is gorgeous and simple. By the time you buy the spray and futz around you've saved nothing.

However if you've got discs already printed the spray will protect the printing.

Bob.

It depends on how critical your need for perfection is.
Spraying is imperfect, but you have to be pretty finicky to not like the look you can get.
A high gloss finish is pretty hard to achieve consistently (for me)
a glossy matte type of finish is easier.
So, if you're the type of person that buys DVDs and then holds them under a light to inspect the finish, then you might notice little things that on these that give away that it was not done professionally.
I'm not really selling my DVDs, so my need for perfection is not that high, but I still want them to look good. I use the Verbatims with inkjet and I usually buy just about any clear acrylic spray paint in a can. Right now I'm using Rust-o-leum Crystal Clear. (Home Depot, I think) Not expensive and has a nice nozzle, no splatter
I waste a lot of time trying to get a high gloss finish, but it's hard to do right all the time.
It doesn't take much spray to get a matte finish. Just enough to seal the ink. I set the discs on clean plain paper and spray about 1 foot away and cover them with a light mist, spraying back and forth at an even pace. If they come out super shiny, you over did it. It takes a few tries to get the hang of it. So you may want to experiment on some private projects that have no importance. (like a data DVD)
Make sure that the spray does not go under the disc. Spray back and forth straight at the disc, not from an angle. The back & forth motion needs to be slightly quick, look at the disc from a few angles, after a couple of sweeps to see if it's misty or wet
I'm sure some people can be much more consistent than I can, but my discs come out pretty good.
If I had money to burn, I'd take the easy route with the Watershields. Spraying is extra work, fumes and you need space to do it.

It would be nice if the discs were opauqe 100%

TY Watershields have only about a 5-10mm thick clear band at the hub. That's about as opaque as you're going to get. I use a setting of 23mm inside and 118mm outside when printing.

There is a thread over at cdfreaks.com worth looking at: Taiyo Yuden Watershields vs Verbatim Glossy Inkjet Printable DVDs or HERE.

I get my TY's from rima.com $32.00 for 50 plus $5.50 shipping (75 cents per disc).

The 59 cents mentioned earlier is from Meritline but you have to buy 200 to get that price. To get just 50 will cost you 74 cents each, however they offer free shipping (Continental USA Only). So the two sites are about the same for 50.

Spraying Watershields????? Seems redundant to me. I stopped spraying discs when I started using Watershields.

You can get 100 8x Verbatims for 16 cents each right now

Post a link please, I didn't find them.

okay.... farss and TGS snuck in before I could finish composing my post.

Anyway, regarding spraying discs. I wrote this in another forum a while ago

The best thing I found when I was spraying was some plastic (stretch) wrap that I bought at Home Depot. It's a 5-inch wide spool that I spread out on cardboard. The discs cling to the plastic wrap sealing the burned side from getting spray on it. But don't let the spray dry completely before removing it from the plastic wrap. Done in 5-minutes? That's wishful thinking. To get the spray looking good, you'll need to spray a few coats letting them dry for about 10 minutes between coats. Spraying too much at once will cause the spray to wick underneath and onto the playable surface. Not good.

It worked well and I agree about the gloss versus matte comparison, much easier using matte, but I wanted a gloss look hence the multiple coats. I used Patricia Nimocks from Wal-Mart in the Craft section. As I mentioned, I bought the plastic wrap at Home Depot, can't find the exact one, but THIS is about what it looked like but at HD, it only cost about $9.

I do sell my discs, so TY Watershields is the way to go. For my home use, I used to use TDK printables but Costco stopped carrying them, so I guess I'll start buying THESE.

Well, I hate to do this to you, but...
www.meritline.com


It's on the opening page, I just checked to make sure.

Thanks. I see it now. HERE'S the direct link for when it's not on the homepage.

I wonder which is better quality, the Verbatim or Ritek's I linked above.

ADDED: Me thinks Verbatim may be better according to THIS and THIS

I already thought Verbatim was better as I was a loyal Ritek user and they suddenly started shipping duds. I also got a really bad batch of Ritek CDs and I lost interest and moved on. I generally stick with 4X Verbatims as they are always cheap and I'm in no hurry. I like Taiyo Yuden too, I use their CDs.

I don't know if it was just dodgey digital signing by Ridisc, but the last set I bought from them was actually marked as Taiyo Yuden.

After reading thispost I decided to do a little testing. I have several different blanks and I thought I would use DVDIdentifier to find out if they were what they said they were. Basically they were :

TaiyoYuden Watershield = TYG03 Great media so far
Taiyo Yuden silver surface = TYG03 Have had no problems
ProDisc Silver Printable = Prodisc F01 I like the looks of printing on
this media. My favorite for appearance until the watershield
came out.
Verbatum white printable = Mitsubishi 02RG20 Very good results
Ritek DL silver surface = D01 HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO GET
THIS DISC TO WORK.

Used spray on all the printables except the watershield. Sprays I used and never had a problem were :
Lumijet Image Shield &
ClearJet Clear Coating

I switched to the TY DVD-R blanks a couple of years ago, after running some tests on my beloved Ritek disks and the TY. Very big difference in the graphs produced by Nero's CD/DVD Speed utility.

I jumped on the Watershield disks as soon as they were available (I think from Discmakers at first). Last year I showed one of my finished disks to a pro still photographer friend (she does a lot of beautiful architectural photography, and runs a very professional website and business. She almost fell out of her chair when she saw the glossy Watershield disk compared to the matte inkjet disks she had been producing for her clients.

For HD DVD's (which really push dvd's to their edge) I use Verbatim DL printables. They seem to be one of the few DL disks that present no problems for HD DVD palyback.

well if anyone ever sees a glossy printable without the band please post up and let us all know.

Thanks,

Aug

Thanks. I see it now. HERE'S the direct link for when it's not on the homepage.

I wonder which is better quality, the Verbatim or Ritek's I linked above.

ADDED: Me thinks Verbatim may be better according to THIS and THIS
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Mine ID as MCC 024G20
They work really well.

John

Can y'all post what printers you are using? I am in the market, but have no experience with this feature. Thanks!

"Can y'all post what printers you are using? I am in the market, but have no experience with this feature. Thanks!"

HP C5280.... good printer. Before this I had the Epson R320... some minor CD tray problems, but uit's the Epson ink prices that drove me to HP

Epson R220

I agree about ink prices, that's why I have a Continuous Ink System (CIS) attached to it.

To read more about it, read THIS. Direct link to the CIS.