OMG!! Pete thats the EXACT same thing that we did.. i kid u not..

Pro Tools was the bees knees and i remember forking out an ABSOLUTE fortune for a PT setup about 8years ago now..

When i saw Vegas for the first time and what i could do with it, i was scared.. Not because of what i didnt know, but of how much power was under the hood which i had no clue about. I was se in my ways and was freaked out coz i used to be one of those stuck up engineers who knew everythign there was to know about anything.

Its funny how things evolve and attitudes change. back then i was an arrogant prat, much like many "absolute" editors who refuse to lookout the square beyond their own NLE..

IN any case, the ony real use i now have for ProTools is the Autotune plugin..
Aside from that, ProTools doesnt offer me or my work anythign new or different

Hi Kip

I'd prefer to do audio work in vegas any day over PT. Maybe just my opinion but I find it much easier to move around and certainly faster. Maybe the latest version of PT is improved but as of a couple years ago, no way.

Sean

There are three levels of ProTools.

Vegas cannot compete with the top level of PT, but then again it doesn't cost anywhere near it either.

Vegas is more of an online editor, while PT is superior for offline.

In this case, skiltrip is highly experienced with using PT, and that is worth more than any features in other programs.

It seems at least one thing that keeps people using Protools is the quality of its mixing. For what I do it's not an issue but if I was a serious audio guy I can see it having a bearing. Also PT seems to rule the roost when it comes to handling location audio. Vegas doesn't have the timecode handling that you need. It's gotten a bit better but still has a way to go.

Bob.

for us it was hardware integration (synths, samplers rack modules etc) Bacj then digital console mixers like the Yamaha 01v didnt exist or were just as expensive (if not more expensive) than a a decent PT setup

SO we went with PT and gained the ability to master and finish the mix in its entirety..

no, we use SADiE or Vegas.

Jesse

A really cool thing in the new ProTools is the new "elastic audio" approach. Not necessarily needed for video production, but absolutely wonderful for recording music.

The new audio manipulations possible with Mackie Tracktion are awesome as well (that's what I use for music). With either ProTools or Tracktion you can extend notes, draw in harmonies, correct pitch, and do all sorts of little audio corrections that make an artist seem way more talented than they actually are. The fact that you can do all of this with no noticable artifacts just amazes me. Neither Vegas nor Acid can do this yet.

I bounce between Vegas and ProTools for some of my video production. Though I would mostly use Vegas to finish the audio as it offers a fairly comprehensive suite of audio editing and mixing tools along with my third party plugins.
As I have a DIGI002R with ProTools LE 7.4 I can only mix in stereo (or mono) in ProTools LE. That is sufficient for the type of corporate and training videos I normally produce but I generally only use PT for VO recording to image.

However as I also work as a freelance audio post editor/mixer both in my own studio and for TV and post houses then ProTools is my standard audio platform for most of that work.

I recently sound designed and mixed a 30 minute short feature, Death's Requiem' in my studio using ProTools for the initial sound design, editing and premixing of mono and stereo submixes. I then bounced these mixes to disk out of ProTools and did the final mix in Vegas 7 in 5.1.

It won the Best Achievement in Sound for a Short Film at the ASSG awards last November.

Basically I find having both ProTools and Vegas means I can use either, or both, where they are best suited. Having EDL Pro Convert is a necessity in moving betwenn the programs though as I find AAF to be somewhat glitchy. I have discovered that EDL Convert and Vegas Pro 8 don't appear to be compatible anymore though. Is anyone else haing this problem?

Newhopemedia

Audio editing is easiest in the app you are most accustomed to using.

I use SONAR as I have been using Cakewalk products since the company began over 20 years ago.

Good to see I'm not the only one using (or attempting to) use Pro Tools with Vegas to complete projects.

I do with Pro Tools supported more video formats for importing. 6.4 only accepts Quicktime files, which is fine, but more options are always better.

For me, nothing beats getting into Pro Tools to get that audio sounding amazing, the editing you can do is about as powerful as you can get. It's not for everyone I guess, but the second I sat down with it back in 2000 it instantly all made sense. I was so thankful to sell my ADATs and get on with my musical life!

So where does ProTools step in and take over from Vegas?

First and foremost I'm a DP, but I'm finding myself editing more and more. I'm glad to have been with Vegas since v2 as it's a very comfortable app for me to work with at this point. Vegas' multi track audio capabilities are fantastic, and like 'newhope' I'm finding quality VST plugins to sweeten my work.

But sometimes I wonder if I'd be better off doing sound design outside of Vegas. I find that correcting poor audio in Vegas to be time consuming and often tedious, and I can't help but think that a dedicated audio app might have a "click here to fix crappy audio" button. :)

Additionally, every time I log into the Sony Software download page I wonder why I don't own Sound Forge or Acid Pro. Vegas has always been able to meet my audio needs, but am I trying to hammer in a nail with a screwdriver?

personally, i've just found every other app i've ever tried for multitrack audio editing to be clunky and awkward. the moment I sat down with Pro Tools for the first time, I felt like the shackles were broken. I could treat it liike I was sitting down at a mixer, old school style, or I could get into those waveforms down to sample level and do whatever the heck i wanted/needed to do.

Pro Tools imports Quicktime video, so if you render to Quicktime, you can pull that in to Pro Tools. There you have a little preview video window that plays along with your timeline.

Pro Tools gets people very heated it seems. Those who use it swear by it for audio capabilites(it's midi capabilities are known to be inferior to other DAWs), and those who use something else dismiss Pro Tools as just hype and the pushing of an "Industry Standard". But it really does live up to the hype for audio manipulation. And unless you are a MIDI-junky, it's MIDI capabilities are fine.

I haven't completed anything yet using Pro tools for the audio/soundtrack, but I originally started this post to see if anyone has done this, or still does it, and what sort of workflow they use.

Like, would they import BACK into vegas with a single stereo file to maybe do some additional video tweaks after, or just export your final Quicktime + soundtrack right from Pro Tools? (I suppose you could always dump it back into Vegas to re-render in another filetype if need be, wmv, avi, etc).

In response to the "click here to fix crappy audio" button, unfortuneately nothing really exists like that anywhere. Bad audio is really tough to clean up. Source is everything.

I must also add that the reason I am so drawn to using Pro Tools as my soundtrack builder, is I am primarily a songwriter, musician, singer, guitarist, pianist who just happens to have a love for putting together video to tell stories, especially driven by the music. So when I'm building a soundtrack for something, I'm using live instruments to lay everything down, so I need a dedicated audio system like Pro Tools to do what I want. I can route to external hardware, back in again, use low latency mode so there's no delay between playing the chord and hearing the chord.

>>>personally, i've just found every other app i've ever tried for multitrack audio editing to be clunky and awkward. the moment I sat down with Pro Tools for the first time, I felt like the shackles were broken. <<<

I'm in shock here...honestly, Pro Fools?
Waiter...yes, i'll have what he's been smoking.
I've had to endure the BS GAME that is degidesign since Session 8 days (early 90's). They (digi) are the most assinine, egotistical, and illogical company in the audio (now video too) biz - ever! It is sickening to see that they are in the game.
Meanwhile hiding behind THE WORST support and service I've ever witnessed in the many years I've had to deal with these turkeys....one they want to charge exorbantly for no less.

Digi wins hands down, top of the heap for the most assinine products / horseblinder award. Not to mention the RAPING that occurs to those who are swindled into their overpriced/overexagerrated HD hrdwr.

I'm sorry but even Sony's Vegas 5 has PT 6/7 stomped - from an EFFECTIVE Ui that simply gets work done efficiently, to proper VST support, incredibly fast and intuitive editing, heaps of better midi support from Acid, ...but how about some of the obvious ones too?:

- rendering, vs. "bouncing". What a complete joke "bouncing" is. it's 2008 and digi is STILL "bouncing to disk". What a JOKE.
All it does I suppose is allow studios to collect a bit more, increasing studio time by an hour or so as one has to 'bounce" (playing the entire song basically) in order to end up with a stereo file. Ri-dic-u-lous!
But, your sony application for example - simple "render as". Ah, simplicity.

- "optional" mp3 support. Really digi? you've included mp3 support now? That must be some kiss you're gonna plant on me before I buy that 'option". Meanwhile your sony apps can take in oodles of formats and render out with ease and quality.

elastic has proven to be as buggy and beta as it comes so far (I expect an update will arrive soon...but this is digi remember, a fix will still probably cost a small fortune).

Nuendo, sonar, vegas, cubase...I'd say all of these applications have PT stomped when we A/B the details. But this is Pro Tools, and on and on the GAME goes that they are supposedly the top tier in the audio realm (BS: they havn't been for a while now - unfortunately, very few know it or want to realize it - especially after foring over the dough necessary to get into PT).

Delusional! PT is (still) a sham and digi is a COMPLETE and utter JOKE of a company.

>>But sometimes I wonder if I'd be better off doing sound design outside of Vegas. I find that correcting poor audio in Vegas to be time consuming and often tedious, and I can't help but think that a dedicated audio app might have a "click here to fix crappy audio" button. :)<<<

And you're thinking that's found in PT? (Ha-ha x 1 million).

I'm curious as to what you're finding is tedious as for audio editing in vegas. Trust me, unless you're rather new to it all the Vegas UI alone simplifies most audio editing in comparison. Nuendo and Sonar beats PT as well.

>>.Pro Tools gets people very heated it seems. Those who use it swear by it for audio capabilites(it's midi capabilities are known to be inferior to other DAWs), and those who use something else dismiss Pro Tools as just hype and the pushing of an "Industry Standard". But it really does live up to the hype for audio manipulation. And unless you are a MIDI-junky, it's MIDI capabilities are fine.<<

Fine? it's hitrocious (and that's putting it gently).

...and what "hype for audio manipulation"...I've GOT to hear this.
Please, entertain me with the comparison and how/why.

Where do you get this stuff? You've GOT to be a digi rep. it's the only answer. Look, studios once HAD to purchase digi in order to slap that PT name. Hell, I've had to...but it is by far the LAST thing I would reccomend for those with an ounce of scruples.

To borrow words from my last client: Their sh*t is TIRED!

> I'm curious as to what you're finding is tedious as for audio editing in vegas.

Well, combine laziness with limited post-audio knowledge and you get tedious. :) Mostly I'm just trying to work my way through three ten minute documentaries, balancing levels, capping peaks, removing "ahhs" and "umms".

But for example, is there and easy way add room tone to all the gaps in an audio track without manually tweaking each one?

>>But for example, is there and easy way add room tone to all the gaps in an audio track without manually tweaking each one?<<

With all due respect, yes there is: record the audio properly is the first reply (and honest reply - no offense meant).

Can you describe further the "room tone to all the gaps" and what you're trying to do? I suspect a great option is to utilize waves IR-1, or maybe simple gating techniques but i need more info from you before assuming that will help here.

Guessing - but I reckon "room tone" is the sound (noise) on the recording during the spaces. If so. Take a snippet that loops, put to new track, and stretch for duration of video. Then, on dialogue track, either run a gate, or noise reduction. Then you have a consistant noise floor durating speech and gaps, and all in Vegas.

oops. hit reply instead of edit. oh well. As for balancing levels. Use a compressor to do it for you

export the highest quality Quicktime file i can render and bring that into Pro Tools to do my audio

So you will "do my audio" on a stereo file? No problem.

Options|Preferences|Audio|Preferred audio editor
Specify ProTools.

This whole thread has gotten way off topic. Didn't want to get into a debate over Digidesign as a company. It was simply asking if anyone used these two tools (Vegas and Pro Tools) together, and if so, what is your work flow. That's all I wanted. If you don't use it, and you do everything in Vegas, that's fine, but that's not what I'm asking. If you HAVE used Pro Tools (anything from version 5.1.1 and up) and now use Vegas instead, please let me know what type of tasks you find easier. I'm all for learning new ways to do things, and if they turn out better, I'm all for it. I used to use Adobe Premiere exclusively and I abandoned that immediately when I tried Vegas, so I'm not one to be blindly loyal. When I find an easier more efficient way to do things, I'm THERE. So if we can, let's not debate about Digi as a company and just talk about what the topic began as... Thanks.

Kip

I've been using Pro Tools for all my songwriting/recording/audio sweetening for the past 6 years. I'm using a 003 Rack with PT 7.4 and love it. I also like using my Yamaha 01V96 as a control surface to PT. Occassionally I might put things together with Acid, but I always do the final mix in PT.

I've recorded directly into Vegas on occasion, but it was just to add a "last minute" sound effect or foley along with the mix that I'd already done in PT.

Depending on the production, I'll usually compose the music after I've shot/edited the video...usually sketching out an 8 track "mix" with my Korg Triton. Once it's right in the Triton, I'll start laying the seperate midi tracks into PT and work on sounds, overdubs, etc. From there I bounce to disk and take it to Vegas. As of late I've been doing more and more of the writing and sequencing right from the get go in PT.

There have been times when I've used a piece that I'd already written/recorded. I just put it on the Vegas timeline and sliced & diced it there.

Hope this helps.