Problem Reading Cineform Intermediate with V8

Bill Ravens wrote on 9/10/2007, 10:07 AM

Hmmmm...

Not good. When I try to open a cineform intermediate file I generated with HDLink, in Vegas pro 8, it recognizes only the audio track. It doesn't seem to recognize the video track. A serious bug?

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Bill Ravens wrote on 9/10/2007, 7:54 PM

bump...nobody else notice this? or even care?

Laurence wrote on 9/10/2007, 8:10 PM

There are abunch of people reporting this in the DVInfo.net forum. I expect it will be fixed pretty quickly.

jrazz wrote on 9/10/2007, 8:13 PM

I am currently encoding a file that involves a Cineform avi file made in Vegas 7. The file was made natively in Vegas (I have not purchased any extra Cineform software or encoders) and Vegas pro 8 handles them just fine for me.

j razz

Laurence wrote on 9/10/2007, 8:17 PM

The DVInfo.net thread is http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/showthread.php?t=103220here[/link].

Bill Ravens wrote on 9/11/2007, 1:46 PM

I have Cineform NEO HDV version 3.10(cineform HD codec 3.2.6) installed and have generated Cineform Imtermediate files with Vegas 7. Vegas 8 does not recognize the video stream, however, it recognizes the audio stream, only. I've generated a cineform intermediate from within Vegas 8, and, I experience the same problem not recognizing the video stream.

More info: I have Vegas 8 installed on another computer which does not have NeoHDV installed. On this machine, I can successfully generate a CF Intermediate file (default Vegas 8 cineform HD codec is version 2.8.)

It appears the problem is reading Cineform Intermediates generated with cineform HD codec version 3.10

StormMarc wrote on 9/11/2007, 1:53 PM

"It appears the problem is reading Cineform Intermediates generated with cineform HD codec version 3.10"

I am working on a project with files captured on Neo 3.05 which works fine. You may be right about the version number.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/11/2007, 3:22 PM

Cannot confirm that too. Rendered just a test file with the Cineform codec 3.2 from the Neo-Player (to update the codec in Vegas). Can be imported without problems in Vegas 8.

Bill Ravens wrote on 9/11/2007, 3:45 PM

wolfgang...

i don't understand what you're saying. first of all, the neoplayer does not provide encoding capability, only playback. I can playback any Cineform Intermediate anywhere on my machines except vegas 8. If you mean cineform 3.0.2(because there is no 3.2 version), yes, I beleive the 3.0.2 version works. It's the 3.10 version that does not.

David Newman wrote on 9/11/2007, 4:14 PM

As Bill just found out on DVInfo.net, for those few that are having this issue, simply rename the cfhd.dll located in C:\Program Files\Sony\Vegas Pro 8.0 -- it is old and will not work with newer files and it shouldn't be used with NEO installed. This file was supposed to be ignored by Vegas8 if a newer CFHD.dll is found (clearly not working on your PC, Bill.)

NEO Player does allow you to create new CineForm AVIs within Vegas, although without the quality controls/benefits of the full NEO package. NEO Player includes the latest "free" CFHD components and upgrades the Sony license. Sony is welcome to ship this component (which would have avoided this thread), however the new v3.x CFHD components require SSE2 instructions, so it will not work on the (now very) old Althon XPs -- and therefore Sony discussion to stick with v2.8.

PS. Expect and unrelated update to be posted tomorrow, the CineForm codec is now at version 3.3, and the full NEO is version 3.1.1.

David Newman
CTO, CineForm

Bill Ravens wrote on 9/11/2007, 5:10 PM

I just want to express thanx to David Newman (dan). The man must never rest; and he's always there with a solution. Thanx David.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/12/2007, 1:39 AM

> NEO Player does allow you to create new CineForm AVIs within Vegas

Well, Dan has answered that, I think. If the NEO player detects that you have installed Vegas, the Player installs both an encoder and a decoder - means, that this is an upgrade path for the Cineform codec in Vegas (from 2.8 to 3.2, I think).

David Newman wrote on 9/12/2007, 9:58 AM

Wolfgang, that is correct, NEO Player is a free upgrade path those who have not purchased Connect HD or NEO. Orginally the Connect HD trial would do this upgrade, but once Connect HD replaced by NEO, we moved this upgrade feature into NEO Player. While this is doesn't make us any money, it is good to keep people using the best version of our encoder, even if the free version is limited to medium quality.

David Newman
CTO, CineForm

Bee Bop wrote on 9/12/2007, 10:58 AM

Was having similar issues, but it's working for me now. Re-installed NEO HDV after Vegas Pro 8. Hope that helps.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 9/12/2007, 11:48 AM

> even if the free version is limited to medium quality.

But that are bad news - I would recommend to set the settings to best quality, since the quality cannot be changed at all.