Problems with long video files?

AnthonyGA wrote on 2/4/2012, 9:06 PM
I started a project that contains 34 clips, all of which are videos previously created with Sony Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 11. The idea was to create a combined trailer that shows brief clips from each of the videos. The original videos vary in length from a couple of minutes to just over 35 minutes.

While attempting to work on this project, Vegas crashes about every 90 seconds. Sometimes it hangs when I try to render a loop region. After I created a dozen or so events in my video, Vegas crashed and would no longer load the project without crashing, so I finally gave up.

Is there some sort of undocumented limit on the length or number of input media clips? Do I need to pay $600 to use input clips that are more than a few minutes in length?

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musicvid10 wrote on 2/4/2012, 9:50 PM
The undisclosed information is the properties of those 34 clips, not the software they were created in. MediaInfo is your friend here.
AnthonyGA wrote on 2/5/2012, 3:31 AM
There are a total of 47 clips. With two or three exceptions, they all have the following characteristics:

General
ID : 255 (0xFF)
Complete name : G:\Video Archive\Travelogues\PlaceBastille.m2t
Format : MPEG-TS
File size : 286 MiB
Duration : 1mn 31s
Start time : UTC 165-25-45 45:85:85
End time : UTC 165-25-45 45:85:85
Overall bit rate : 26.2 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 33.0 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 165-25-45 45:85:85

Video
ID : 2064 (0x810)
Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@High
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=12
Codec ID : 2
Duration : 1mn 31s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 24.5 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 25.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : Component
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Compression mode : Lossy
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.473
Stream size : 266 MiB (93%)

Audio
ID : 2068 (0x814)
Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
Format : MPEG Audio
Format version : Version 1
Format profile : Layer 2
Codec ID : 3
Duration : 1mn 31s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 4.17 MiB (1%)

Menu
ID : 129 (0x81)
Menu ID : 100 (0x64)
List : 2064 (0x810) (MPEG Video) / 2065 (0x811) () / 2068 (0x814) (MPEG Audio) / 2069 (0x815) ()
Maximum bit rate : 26190000

I was editing them in chronological order, and the first two videos I tried had the following characteristics:

General
ID : 0 (0x0)
Complete name : G:\Video Archive\Travelogues\Montmartre.mpg
Format : BDAV
Format/Info : Blu-ray Video
File size : 2.29 GiB
Duration : 15mn 8s
Overall bit rate : 21.6 Mbps
Maximum Overall bit rate : 28.1 Mbps

Video
ID : 4113 (0x1011)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.0
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
Format settings, GOP : M=3, N=12
Codec ID : 27
Duration : 15mn 9s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 20.3 Mbps
Maximum bit rate : 22.0 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 25.000 fps
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.392
Stream size : 2.15 GiB (94%)
Color primaries : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4, SMPTE RP177
Transfer characteristics : BT.709-5, BT.1361
Matrix coefficients : BT.709-5, BT.1361, IEC 61966-2-4 709, SMPTE RP177

Audio
ID : 4352 (0x1100)
Menu ID : 1 (0x1)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Mode extension : CM (complete main)
Codec ID : 129
Duration : 15mn 8s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 448 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Bit depth : 16 bits
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 48.5 MiB (2%)

These early videos were rendered by a different video editor.

I'll try again using only videos rendered by Sony Vegas, but if I still come across the same problem, I'm going to be very disappointed.
D7K wrote on 2/5/2012, 11:19 AM
What are your system specs?
AnthonyGA wrote on 2/5/2012, 6:10 PM
Windows XP SP3 Core Duo 3 Ghz 4 GB memory

I tried it again using only files that had originally come out of Vegas, and now with a video only five minutes long, the program is crashing again. Obviously Vegas MSP is not designed to handle input media of any significant length.
musicvid10 wrote on 2/5/2012, 9:11 PM
Maybe your dual core isn't up to the task.
AVCHD requires some serious horsepower.
Maybe an "intermediate" render? (do a search).
AnthonyGA wrote on 2/6/2012, 2:08 AM
It has nothing to do with the horsepower of the machine. It's a bug.

I've isolated at least one specific video file in particular (previously rendered by Vegas) that consistently crashes the program, but I can't see anything different about it that might account for the problem. It's 35 minutes long. If I chop it in half and use only the first part of the first half, the rendering completes. If I use the very beginning and the very end of the video, it crashes. However, another video, also rendered by Vegas and of the same length, does not crash the program under the same circumstances.
musicvid10 wrote on 2/6/2012, 10:08 AM
OK, suit yourself.
TOG62 wrote on 2/6/2012, 11:23 AM
Maybe it's worth re-rendering or processing with TSMuxeR.