I stumbled upon when I was trying to do something else in Vegas..I guess I would need more time to see what its full potential is . For me the user interface was doing some weird things ..like typing invisibly and I still can`t figure out how to apply the effects to the text...(not normally that difficult ..for me at least). Plus its a bit slow..but hey let me get at it and let you know ..

thx

XLA-

JetDV has got a lot of tutorials over on his site. Check out the October 2007 one for a basic intro to the ProTitler.

http://thetroxels.com/vegas/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54

There's a couple more fairly issue-specific tutorials on the VASST website as well.

http://vasst.com/search.aspx?type=2

Sorry, but I'm lacking the knowledge on how to make these into links, but you can just copy/paste into your browser address line to get there.

Brian

Well, I wrote the credit roll tutorial, and even though I had a good handle on the PTT tool, when i watched the Vol. 9 Training DVD from VASST, I still learned new tricks and tips and gained understanding by watching that DVD. As such, I can't help but suggest it to anyone who wants to learn about the new titling tool in Vegas.

http://www.vasst.com/product.aspx?id=82da69fe-4af7-4cda-8c86-d099b3855d2c

Dave

I agree with Dave. VASST's Vol 9 Training DVD is excellent. If you want to learn to use the Vegas Media Manager Vol 7 Media Manager Demystified is excellent.

Ed B

XLA: It's not just you, I can't for the life of me figure this thing out - why did Sony make a brand new harder to use interface just for this one tool?

Thanks for the links everyone.

Pop the centred text in click on the text

Then click on the spiral next to rotation then set a rotation in the timeline
Then click on the child arrow which now opens this up to the character tab
Then click on the rotation for the C set the rotation
Now 3 small squares pop up on the working side of the timeline click the last one and change apply to the whole word
And that toggle then applies this effect to all the characters

This will give you an idea

This morning I did a book now ! and had the ! bounce in on all the letters from left to right and land in its place
And all the letters squishing down and poping up when being hit
The project took just under 15 min and i am very new to pro titler

The pro titler is an amazing tool

this might sound trivial, but was a paradigm shift for me. Create each item as a separate text event on the timeline. I was trying to do a traditional scroll with little luck and kind of stumbled on this technique. It seems to me Protitler is kind of klunky at handling several successive text blocks in a single event. thoughthere'sprobalby a lot of people out there that use it that way effectively.

One unanticipated benefit of doing it in separate events is how easy it is to edit and arrange them.

Godo luck

What I noticed is that you can apply the effect to the character or line or block not multiple blocks
But when you added a new text block I couldn’t save both the blocks as a single instance in the collection folder

If you wanted to apply the same effects that you put on one block, onto another, why not copy the block and just replace the wording?

Before checking this thread i was gonna simply give up on this thing ..but I'll check those sites and hopefully something useful will come about ..I just want to put some text in a clip without making it look cheesy..Seems cool but really not user friendly.ahrg!

thanks everyone

ok i`m working hard with this tool..now whats going on in my preview window is not jiving with whats happening in the actuall text editor ..i`m getting confused..

I`m beginning to understand how it works but i still have to spend time familiarizing myself with the it so that i can get it to do what i want it to do ..just don`t find it user friendly as the rest of sonyvegas..i need to be able to wow my viewers but at this rate its taking a toll on me..

ps. I went through the October section on Pro Titler already..for the standard i`m after i need to be able to use this thing inside out ....

More HELP plz, sites links, whatever..(super vague .lol)

thx again

I also find it difficult to get the timing spot on as the playout in pro titler widow seems to drop frames but when you play it out key to key it looks right
So the Vegas preview window is more accurate in playout “ this is just my judgment”

In learning something new I found that you can overwork it, give yourself ten minutes then stop… do some thing else for a few minutes, give your brain time to digest what you have just learnt
Otherwise you can become overwhelmed with the task . you need that digest time so you you can build on top of what you have just learnt. the alternative is info overload and frustration

thanks for that tip ...it probably was the most important thing for me right now ...I guess I can`t expect such a high standard overnight but its comming along slowly ..but I get dazzled when I see what ppl can do with text in a clip..I'm still waiting for digital juice to release fonts so that i can use some...but i really don`t feel like putting text in my video if its gonna look like a home video ..know what i mean ?!

thanks again for the very important non technical tip .

XLA

Ok, so another day another learnt thing..I'm able to make things move along a path which I think is really cool however the fonts look a little too much like the carebears..would anyone recommend a style of font that would seem a bit more pro or a combo...thx

ps.

thx for the veg font test file xfx..

Choose a type face that’s compliments your topic

Type face is the style of type with in that type face. say for ex Goudy within this typeface there are many fonts to choose from ‘bold, compact,etc’

If you use type for titling or body copy limit the number of fonts and don’t don’t mix across the type styles for ex seraph or san seraph unless they are within
That same type face

If you are designing a logo or Brand icon or label
Then mixing type is ok we do it all the time this is called branding

Some people get confused between titling and branding or body copy and logos

Changing type in the process of titling is like changing your voice over or narrator in the middle of a sentence
It will break the message you are trying to establish

If you are doing stuff for u tube then go mad who cares
If you are doing corporate stuff then it’s very very important to use the required type face that your client identifies with

Without wanting to embroil you in a squabble with xfx, you should be aware that his post is little more than an asinine reference to a disagreement with me that began in June.

xfx believes (whatever the evidence adduced to the contrary) that the juxtaposition of serif and sanserif fonts is somehow forbidden ('dont use seriph and san seriph type at the same time on the same page thats a type rule'). In fact, not only is there no such 'rule' but the contrast of serif and sanserif is a staple of the designer's art (few magazines at the moment would, for example, not differentiate headings and body in such a way).

If you need ideas for suitable fonts, I would recommend looking at the web sites of foundries and vendors such as Adobe, Linotype, Monotype, FontShop, and MyFonts. As a corrective to xfx's advice see Daniel Will-Harris' Typefaces that work together or any manual of typography.

I'd also recommend that generally, if you need such advice, you seek it from designers. You'll find that there are very few people in this forum who look beyond the fonts installed with their operating system and applications (even if they wouldn't dream of limiting themselves similarly with, for example, stock photography) and however well-meaning the advice may be (xfx's post doesn't even have that redemption), you may well learn more elsewhere.
 

barleycorn,

"You'll find that there are very few people in this forum who look beyond the fonts installed with their operating system and applications "

i take exception to that statement. every professional editor / producer i know (and there's a fair few of them on this board), has had to learn a great deal about typography if they wanted to create memorable video - be it corporate branding or simply titling that didn't break up in sd - dvd.

your tone reminds me of the 'old school' attitude where every trade had its specialists (i remember editing suites with editor, sound, fx, and graphics operators, not to mention the tech hanging around waiting for something to fail. oh, and the poor editors assistant loading tapes...).

i thnk you do a disservice to a great many people with your condescension. the only rule there is to any art is that you have to know them in the first place to break them.

leslie

Both perspectives are insightful and give me a better idea of how text can and cannot be used ..of course in a subjective manner depending on the creator. Thanks to both for your info ..I'm exploring Open font right now with its ligatures options and more ..

Meanwhile, I`ve come a long way with the Pro Titler in learning how to apply effects, curves, ... to my text .. It had to be mentionned that this presets are in fact meant to be applied specifically ie. drag sin curve to the curve not the text ... This is what I meant by not userfriendliness, not to withold that we are capable of using more scientific measures to accomplish a more complex task ..its just the learning curve depends somewhat on my intellectual baggage..it helps to have some being an electrical engineer but there is much more to be learned about designing..

Always insightful ,

XLA

Ooooooo Barlycorn that hurt

Some Producers produce great work then become arrogant

Barleycorn came from nothing to arrogant come on Babycorn you have to work your way there

Rory

Leslie,

> i take exception to that statement

No offence was intended; I have great respect for some members of these forums. I do however believe that I am correct in suggesting that most people don't look beyond the fonts they happen to find installed:

1. It is unquestionably true of computer users in general: few people will ever purchase fonts; defaults are accepted, the range seems satisfactory, and the fonts acquire a respectability (sometimes at odds with their esteem amongst professionals) and trustworthiness.

2. References to fonts in this forum have only very rarely ventured beyond those installed with Microsoft Office and Windows. Sometimes ill-informed recommendations go unchallenged. I've never heard anyone express frustration that they're limited to commonly installed fonts (or even comment upon this) when entering competitions or uploading examples.

These are not criticisms - I'm not questioning anyone's talent (the fact that almost all synthesizers sent for repair have their preset sounds untouched doesn't mean the owners are poor musicians) - but neither am I convinced that typographic learning is widespread here.

> every trade had its specialists

While it's quite incredible the way computers can be empowering, it doesn't always mean everyone is equipped to do everything. It would seem strange to me to expect fine typography on screen when one is generally pleasantly surprised to see a non-template-based DTP or Word document that doesn't look awful. I do believe there is a place for experts and that expertise is sometimes sorely lacking nowadays (typographic standards at the BBC, for example, have declined shockingly in the last few years).

> the only rule there is to any art is that you have to know them in the first place to break them

I wouldn't disagree with this (I also strongly believe that xfx shouldn't be repeating his bogus 'rule'). A related maxim would be 'know your limitations'...

I'm all too aware of my own limited abilities in many areas (a tendency to pomposity is certainly a weakness) and regret it if I seemed condescending.

N.
 

"Without wanting to embroil you in a squabble with xfx, you should be aware that his post is little more than an asinine reference to a disagreement with me that began in June"

Please allow me to be a tad more blunt than Leslie was..... your post stinks and there was no call for it at all.

xfx presents a style.... one that he/she didn't have to waste time doing. The style is neither right or wrong.... it's just his style, nothing more. You may have yours which is no more right or wrong than any one else's, but you're talking about running around all over the place collecting strange and new fonts, adjusting defaults.... etc, etc. to a person (the original OP) who is JUST beginning to learn Pro titler.

I don't know which is worse, your idiotic post, or your incredibly inept teaching skills.....Geeez!

'xfx presents a style.... one that he/she didn't have to waste time doing. The style is neither right or wrong.... it's just his style, nothing more. You may have yours which is no more right or wrong than any one else's, but you're talking about running around all over the place collecting strange and new fonts, adjusting defaults.... etc, etc. to a person (the original OP) who is JUST beginning to learn Pro titler' (blink3times)

Frankly, I found this pretty hard to understand and it seems to have very little to do with anything I've written.

1. xfx's message had a subtext. It was a provocative revival of an argument a few months ago. I should probably have ignored it.

2. He reasserted that there is a type 'rule' that one should not use serif and sanserif fonts together. This is just nonsense and personally, I think dishing out bad advice is about the worst thing you can do in a forum of this sort.

3. XLA (the original poster) asked 'would anyone recommend a style of font that would seem a bit more pro or a combo'. I referred him to a number of major web sites that should be useful for anyone (amateur or professional) looking for the right font. Perhaps someone else will benefit even if you can't.

> 'adjusting defaults'

4. I believe I only used the word default in my second post. By 'defaults are accepted' I meant the way that an application's default fonts are used unquestioningly. For example, the majority of people using Microsoft Word prior to Office 2007 will have accepted the default Times New Roman; 2007 uses Calibri instead and magically allegiances are transferred (even though Calibri and Times New Roman couldn't be much more different). Arial is similarly accepted in these parts...