Question about a new V6 feature

Stonefield wrote on 4/16/2005, 11:48 AM
Hey,

Was looking at an article about the new features in Vegas ( LOVE that project nesting feature ! )

...and was curious about the Windows Secondary Display feature. I'm not too clear what this is about but find it interesting. I've got a dual VGA monitor + NTSC TV via firewire setup. How could I benefit from this new feature ?

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BrianStanding wrote on 4/16/2005, 1:49 PM
Well, it sounds like its a way of sending a video preview to a computer monitor or projector. That should let you preview HD material, for example, which your SD NTSC monitor won't let you do. It will be curious to see if the DVI/VGA preview is scalable like the SD preview window in Vegas now is.

I'm also idly wondering if this feature will work with something like MaxiVista software? I could see applications where sending a full-screen video preview to a networked laptop might be kind of handy.
Stonefield wrote on 4/16/2005, 6:31 PM
Wanna know something cool ? I found out a way to send the edit preview window out over MSN Messenger. So that let's say a client who wanted to see the edit take place...they can log into MSN Messenger and see the edits happen in real time....

Also...

I found a program that will broadcast the DV input from a firewire source ( your shooting camera ) over the internet.

So the application there would be to let people log into my computer in the studio and watch live video of a model's shoot right from in the camera. It's like seeing a web cam but the "cam" is the actual camera shooting the footage for that day. ....cool stuff.
p@mast3rs wrote on 4/16/2005, 6:54 PM
so what are these programs Stonefield. I am intersted in hearing.
epirb wrote on 4/16/2005, 8:27 PM
Yeah Stan, great discoveries, whats the Skinny?
Stonefield wrote on 4/17/2005, 12:34 AM
Ok, here's an article relating to the use of using a camcorder as a webcam, but it links to a dead site unfortunatley...

http://www.g4tv.com/screensavers/features/43492/Use_Your_DV_Camera_as_a_Netcam.html

OrangeMicro is the little program that will help you do that but as I go back to the homepage, their site seems to have " surpassed its bandwidth allocation at the present time " Hmmmm....ok.

What was the other function....oh yes....my preview window in Vegas being broadcast over the net, lemme think about how I did that one again, I'll get back to ya tomorrow with that one. It may have been the same program.
Chienworks wrote on 4/17/2005, 3:49 AM
Actually, if you have any sort of webcam input you should be able to accomlish this. I have an analog composite video in jack on my video card that i can use to connect my camcorder and convert it into a webcam. Many USB webcams have a composite input jack on them as well. Send the preview output from the firewire jack to a converter such as the ADVC-100 or your camcorder, then route the analog output to the composite input jack. Vegas' preview window is now your webcam!

Depending on your internet connection speed you will probably get no better than 320x240 @ 5 to 10fps. If you use a USB webcam's composite input then expect 160x120 @ 3fps. Maybe USB2.0 webcams will perform better, but i wouldn't count on it.

Yahoo! Messenger will accept 1394 input for it's webcam feed. I don't know if it would pick up Vegas' output simultaneously or if you'd have to do some sort of bridging to get it to work. It's worth some experiments.
BrianStanding wrote on 4/17/2005, 5:01 AM
You could also use Debug Mode's Network Frameserver, then open up the dummy .avi file in Windows Media Player.

Just tried this out, and it looks great!
filmy wrote on 4/17/2005, 6:23 AM
>>>...was curious about the Windows Secondary Display feature.<<<

I may be wrong but this is something other NLE's use and is now almost common in all graphics cards. I think it was Farss or Grazie who had asked at one time about how to monitor HD material and I mentioned how in the nVidia cards, when you have the drivers installed, if you right click on certian media files - AVI as an example - there is an option that says something like "play out to TV" and when you click it the output is sent to your second monitor/tv at full screen. I mentioned it would be nice to enable this sort of feature in Vegas...sort of click on "Firewire out" or "Second monitor out" and, right now it is only firewire out, with the added option it would route the preview window out to the second monitor via the graphics card rather than via a firewire port. In PremierePro 1.5.1 you can use this feature when editing HDV material...it is pretty cool. Yes it is analog/SD out however it sends the work screen out at full screen and full frame rate, something that Vegas currently does not do. So I suspect Vegas 6 handles the "Windows Secondary Display" is a like manner.

Here is how Premiere Pro does it:

HDV project timelines can be previewed on external monitors using one of many supported graphics cards. These graphics cards must have the ability to support a second monitor and must have DirectX overlay support.

And, for example, here is how to enable it with the nVidia GeForce cards:
1. In Windows Display Properties Click on the ‘Settings’ Tab

EDIT - spelling
Stonefield wrote on 4/17/2005, 9:16 AM
So with this new feature in V6, if I have a dual head videocard AND a vga output from the motherboard, would that enable me to use the third vga output for this feature ?

Sorry, still trying to get the difference between this Windows Secondary Display feature and just running dual monitors.
FuTz wrote on 4/17/2005, 9:25 AM
Me too, Stonefield...
The only difference I see now is that you can, from then, have the second monitor display in *full screen* what you got in Vegas, instead of 720x480 max. resolution on that preview window.
But if you change the settings of this second monitor to 800x600 and stretch to *full* , you're not very far from the "improvement".
there must be something we don't get...
craftech wrote on 4/17/2005, 3:12 PM
It is my understanding that Vegas 6 will be able to do this. Will wonders ever cease!

John
filmy wrote on 4/17/2005, 3:27 PM
>>> It is my understanding that Vegas 6 will be able to do this. Will wonders ever cease!<<<

ROTFL!!!!! Good one!!
Stonefield wrote on 4/17/2005, 3:36 PM
Before we go all out with all the HDV stuff, I woulda been much happier to see Vegas do this

Oh well.
filmy wrote on 4/17/2005, 3:42 PM
>>>Sorry, still trying to get the difference between this Windows Secondary Display feature and just running dual monitors<<<

Another way of saying what I explained above is that if you have dual monitors you normally have one part of the workspace on one screen and another on the other - thusly the "extendend desktop' idea. So you might have the timeline and media bins on one desktop and the preview winbdow on another. The other default option is "duplicate" or the like - so you have the exact same destop on both monitors. However, using the nVidia card as an example, when you right click on a file in the Explorer window and you choose the "play out to TV" (or whatever the exact phrase is) you send *only* the full frame video to the second monitor. Another way to look at it is like this - when you open up a media player - in my case Media Player Classic - and you play a video file, instead of playing in the player, it plays out on the other monitor. Nothing on your desktop really changes and you aren't really extending the desktop or the workspace.

So, if you get that than what Premiere Pro does is exactly the same thing. When working with a HDV project you can select the secondary monitor. When you playback the same thing I describe above happens - except you are in Premiere Pro and not a media player. So my guess-ti-ment is that Vegas 6 will work this same way. If you enable 'Windows Secondary Display' it will route whatever video is in the preview window to a secondary monitor at full frame/full screen.