Re: I'm Flummoxed and about to give up

Maverick wrote on 3/6/2004, 6:28 AM
Hi

Not sure if what I have to report is a bug or what but it doesn't seem right.

My project in Vegas is set to PAL DV 25fps. It has been rendedered as such (I have just checked all settings). It was captured from a PAL camera also at 25fps.

The project in DVDA is set to PAL DV 25fps. Now, on my scene selection menu I have set the thumbnail form the project mpeg-2. Having used the slider to find the frame I want I noticed that the frame is at 00:01:27:28.

28! I clicked on the arrow and it wraps after 29 to 00:01:28:00. I have even started from scratch so I cannot understand why this is happening. Perhaps this also explains why I have been getting such jerkiness in the final DVDs.

Is there something I have overlooked?

All help greatly appreciated.

Cheers

Comments

farss wrote on 3/6/2004, 6:44 AM
If you double click on the clip you can select the frame from the T/L, much easier way to fly, once you get the curser on the frame hit "T" to set the thumbnail. Try that and see if you still have that oddity.

There's nothing to stop you in a Vegas PAL project from setting the ruler to NTSC BTW, been caught out that way myself a few times. Maybe they just forgot to change the way ot displays where it's when you change project properties to PAL, so long as you endup on the right frame I don't think it matters a damn.

I'm 100% certain you're getting normal PAL.

Jerkiness is another issue, could be caused by 100s of things, although having the wrong field order would be the first thing to start checking.
Maverick wrote on 3/6/2004, 7:02 AM
Thanks for the advice. Using the time line would probably be easier and I'll try that.

I think you are right about the frames. I started at 0 and clicked the right arrow 25 times. Frame numbers 3, 6 , 15, 21 & 27 were skipped. so there are only 25 frames - phew. But I don't understand why as even the timeline in V4 is set to Time & Frames.

As for the jerkiness I have covered that in other threads but, just to clarigy, I tried setting all event to upper field first and rendering and still got the jerkiness. I have now set it all back to Lower and there doesn't seem to be the same jerkiness in the mpeg-2 when played in WMP. I am about to burn the DVD thanks to you above help and will report back.

Cheers
farss wrote on 3/6/2004, 1:40 PM
THe timeline in Vegas can be set to whatever you want, by default it's time and frames but it can be absolute frames, just time or even measures and beats.
NTSC time and frames comes in two different variations as well. You have to remember that Vegas was built not for video but for audio and in that world 'frames' doesn't make a how lot of sense. I suspect that internally Vegas measures everything in time.
Maverick wrote on 3/6/2004, 2:13 PM
Hi farss.

I understand that but my limited knowledge assumes that, whether the timeline displays frames, time, PAL or NTSC, the project setting take preference and, above that, the render settings.

Although I acknowledge the rednered MPEG-2 file is 25fps I don't understand how DVDA can mislead by displaying frame numbers upto 29.

Anyway, DVD burnt but DVDs won't play on my PC without a fight so I'll check it on the main one tomorrow.

Thanks.