Reason to Upgrade to Vegas Movie Studio Platinum 14?

ernest-bogusch wrote on 3/3/2017, 11:37 AM

I have spent 2 weeks evaluating VMS 12 versus VMS 14. In the past, I have done many slide shows to DVD and hard drives. I have just started to transfer all of my old Sony DV tapes to hard drives, and I have bounced back from VMS 12 to VMS 14. I am not using 4K video. I'm not a advanced user like most of the people on this forum.

It greatly upsets me that Newblue addons have crashed my computer so many times before I decided to remove them completely. It is appalling that Magix could not get NB stuff to work. But, I had a chance to evaluate NB titles and transitions in-between crashes. Guess what, I really didn't like any of the new NB titles and transitions anyway. I didn't think they would actually improve my home videos and slideshows. The music pro 6 program wants to sell me very expensive music. Aside from a few changes to the GUI interface I don't see any reason to upgrade to VMS 14. Functionality between VMS 12 and VMS 14 seems to be virtually identical, except for 4K.

A few months ago, I desperately wanted to upgrade to VMS 14 as soon as it was released. What am I missing? Please tell me why I should upgrade to VMS 14.

Ernie

Comments

Vidguy wrote on 3/3/2017, 12:04 PM

I would warn against it if you want to do Titles/3D text New Blue TitlerEX is NOT included in the program.. New Blue wants to sell you a $299 program called Titler Pro 5.. So they did not include TitlerEX.. I have used MS for a long time and the TitlerEX program was essential to doing good 3D text.. And was always in the program.. That is gone now despite the fact that in the ad it says 2d & 3d text can be done with the program.. Simply not true. I would hold off to see if they make a correction in the program..

robbif2 wrote on 3/3/2017, 12:15 PM

For one thing, VMS 14 now has the multicam feature (4 cameras max), previously only in Pro (more than 4 cameras). However, Dr Zen has a tutorial on how to do it in previous VMS versions. It remains to be seen, but VMS 14 is almost brand new, and I've had many initial issues with the suite, all of which have already been solved.

tim-frost wrote on 3/3/2017, 12:42 PM

Yes the multicam is well executed if you need it. You've got split screen to view effects and clean. But for me, its the changes int the workspace. It is much better organised than on 12 or 13, the tools are more readily to hand , player controls are back on the bottom transport bar and there's a few nice little extras like the metering on the audio channels. Yup there are bugs but its early days and the response from the team seems to be very pro-active.

paul-teisco wrote on 3/3/2017, 8:44 PM

Can someone that has the new 14 please tell me if it adjust to 4k? The older 12 does not and has text too small to read. Also does the new 14 retain the cropping window like the older 12 series?

NickHope wrote on 3/3/2017, 11:50 PM

I would warn against it if you want to do Titles/3D text New Blue TitlerEX is NOT included in the program.. New Blue wants to sell you a $299 program called Titler Pro 5.. So they did not include TitlerEX.. I have used MS for a long time and the TitlerEX program was essential to doing good 3D text.. And was always in the program.. That is gone now despite the fact that in the ad it says 2d & 3d text can be done with the program.. Simply not true. I would hold off to see if they make a correction in the program..

It's included in the Suite version. [EDIT: This is incorrect. See below.]

Cornico wrote on 3/4/2017, 2:29 AM

It's not included, included is Titler Complete .

NickHope wrote on 3/4/2017, 2:58 AM

It's not included, included is Titler Complete .

So the sales page is wrong?

Cornico wrote on 3/4/2017, 3:28 AM

I don't know.
This comes with the suite.
NewBlue stuff installed gives a titler with only a library with some templates that can be used or altered by changing the text and sometimes putting a picture as logo or change a backgrond colour. No resizing, changing textcolor a.s.o.
That's all, nothing more, nothing less.

BTW.

Support adviced to uninstall al the NewBlue stuff to overcome starting problems of VMS 14. And so I did and I got incredible reduce in starting time of the Vegas Programs.

NickHope wrote on 3/4/2017, 4:26 AM

OK, I'm starting to understand.

Sony Movie Studio Platinum 12 included "NewBlueFX Titler EX" which has many features.

Sony Movie Studio Suite 13 also included "NewBlueFX Titler EX".

Movie Studio Suite 14 includes "NewBlueFX Titler Pro Express" which is not the same thing, has a confusingly similar title, and does not have as many features.

This comment from the Vegas Pro forum has the answer on what "NewBlueFX Titler Pro Express" is supposed to be, at least in the context of Vegas Pro:

"Titler Express is basically the "QuickEdit" screen from Titler Pro 3. It does not include the title designer. You simply add Titler Express to the timeline, select the desired template, and then adjust the text as needed."

I'll edit my comments above and elsewhere to correct them.

Cornico wrote on 3/4/2017, 5:33 AM

Movie Studio Suite 14 includes "NewBlueFX Titler Pro Express" which is not the same thing, has a confusingly similar title, and does not have as many features.

That's not what it is called.

For your pleasure and for info to all the others I did install it once again.

After executing the installer you see this

After installing that you see this

Before executing anything else I got this pop-up

I gave my serial that came with the VMS suite for this NewBlue program

and then came this

I saw this many times, ignored it and opened Vegas Movie Studio Pl. where I see this in the Media Generator

Draging this default titler to the timeline the titler opens with

Doubleclicking on another one from the library I see this

After closing cashing starts and leaves this time this file in temp files, but in the past I saw there after a few attempts and trying a few titles, files up to 5 GB

I uninstalled already again this rubbish.
Edit: I changed the last word on request of the moderator.

NickHope wrote on 3/4/2017, 5:46 AM

Movie Studio Suite 14 includes "NewBlueFX Titler Pro Express" which is not the same thing, has a confusingly similar title, and does not have as many features.

That's not what it is called.

According to your Media Generator it is called "NewBlue Titler Pro Express". Anyway the point is, it's not the same as, or as fully featured as, the previous Titler EX.

robbif2 wrote on 3/4/2017, 8:42 AM

OK, I have another question. I own suites for VMS 11 (still love it), 13 (never used it) and 14 (think I'm gonna love it). If I reinstall 13, will I be able to use the titler in 14? I doubt it, but will I be able to create a title in 13 and use it in 14?

ernest-bogusch wrote on 3/4/2017, 9:26 AM

All of these comments by experienced VMS 11, 12, 13, and 14 users do not give me any encouragement to upgrade to VMS 14! I have VMS 12, and 14 (trial) installed on my desktop. When I attempted to install VMS 12 suite on a new laptop (which is allowed) the installation program would not allow me to enter my serial number and register! It immediately directed me to the Magix site and the new VMS 14 instead. I believe Magix has now locked me out of a reinstalling VMS 12, a program I own, but unfortunately have a damaged original installation disk! This is very frustrating.

Cornico wrote on 3/4/2017, 9:42 AM

... VMS 12, a program I own, but unfortunately have a damaged original installation disk! This is very frustrating.

You are able to download it from here and use your own(old) serial to register.

 

Vidguy wrote on 3/4/2017, 10:14 AM

Nick, I believe Magix and NewBlue pulled a bait and switch.. Look at the Features page and read the description it says you would be able to customize 2D & 3D Titler templates and save them. The Express version allows no such thing.. Only the typing of text. It is not a real editor program.. TitlerEX has been blocked from working so a person HAS to buy Titler Pro 5... If they want to do anything as they have in TitlerEX... I have contacted both companies and they are just not being honest.. They got caught and they know it.. I expect to be able to use my old TitlerEX or have it included in the suite version.. UNHINDERED.. They have pissed me off bigtime..

Vidguy wrote on 3/4/2017, 10:20 AM

It's not included, included is Titler Complete .

So the sales page is wrong?


Yes the Sales Page is wrong.. I have been saying this all along.. It is misleading the customer to think they will get what they will not.. a 2d & 3d Titler EDITOR.. Express is not an editor..

Vidguy wrote on 3/4/2017, 10:23 AM

All of these comments by experienced VMS 11, 12, 13, and 14 users do not give me any encouragement to upgrade to VMS 14! I have VMS 12, and 14 (trial) installed on my desktop. When I attempted to install VMS 12 suite on a new laptop (which is allowed) the installation program would not allow me to enter my serial number and register! It immediately directed me to the Magix site and the new VMS 14 instead. I believe Magix has now locked me out of a reinstalling VMS 12, a program I own, but unfortunately have a damaged original installation disk! This is very frustrating.


Don't make a move with 14 until this gets ironed out and Magix fixes the titlerEX situation..

NickHope wrote on 3/4/2017, 10:58 AM

When I attempted to install VMS 12 suite on a new laptop (which is allowed) the installation program would not allow me to enter my serial number and register!

You may need to manually register it on the Magix website. See section 2b of this: https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/faq-where-can-i-download-vegas-pro-and-other-vegas-software--104782/

(and I agree with what Cornico says above)

If it still won't "allow you", please let us know what exact error messages it gives you.

Vidguy wrote on 3/4/2017, 11:33 AM

I want to state for the record.. I always liked Sony Vegas and have used it for many years.. I do not hate Magix, New-Blue, Sony.. I have always been loyal to them.. My complaint is they have not been loyal to us.

jetdv wrote on 3/5/2017, 7:14 AM

I would like to explain a little about the various products. Let's start from the lowest and work our way up:

1. TitlerEx - TitlerEx was bundled with Movie Studio 12 and 13. As long as you continue to use it with Movie Studio 12 and 13, all will be fine. TitlerEx was not bundled with any other versions of Vegas/Movie Studio so they will show a watermark. TitlerEx also isn't officially compatible with Vegas/Movie Studio 14. TitlerEx was, basically, a subset of Titler Pro 1. TitlerEx cannot use the current templates.

2. Titler Pro 1 - TP1 was bundled with Vegas Pro 11 and 12. As long as you continue to use it in Vegas Pro 11 and 12, all will be fine. Titler Pro 1 was not bundled with any other versions of Vegas/Movie Studio so they will show a watermark unless you purchased a retail serial number (which was offered very cheaply for about a year after Vegas Pro 13 was released). Titler Pro 1 is not officially compatible with Vegas/Movie Studio 14. Titler Pro 1 cannot use the current templates.

3. Titler Express - This new product is bundled with Movie Studio 14 Suite (it is only bundled with the Suite version) and the middle Vegas Pro 14 version. Titler Express is, basically, the Quick Edit screen in Titler Pro 3. It will allow you to select templates and then adjust the variables in those templates allowing you to change the text and, maybe, an image. It will not let you "design" titles but will let you use the pre-built templates.

4. Titler Pro 3 - This product is bundled with Vegas Pro 14 Suite and is the full Titler Pro 3 version. It has full title design capabilities.

5. Titler Pro 5 - This is the current version of Titler Pro. You can upgrade to this version from any of the above and you will have the full capabilities of Titler Pro including the ability to design new titles as well as use the pre-built templates.

 

In looking above, I see an error message indicating that the serial number does not belong to your account. This can happen in two ways:

1. You purchased with one e-mail address and are logged into the Application Manager under a different address. This typically will happen if you use PayPal as the ordering system will always use the PayPal e-mail address. There is a simple solution - send NewBlue the serial number and what account it should be under and we can move it to that account.

2. It is an older product and is actually under TWO accounts. This should not happen today but is true for some older products where your e-mail address may have changed over the years and you've activated under both the old and new e-mail addresses. This is no longer allowed but also has a simple solution. Just send NewBlue the serial number and we can remove it from the incorrect e-mail address.

The best solution to any activation issues is to contact NewBlue and we will figure out why your activation is not working.

jetdv wrote on 3/5/2017, 7:16 AM

It's not included, included is Titler Complete .

So the sales page is wrong?


Yes the Sales Page is wrong.. I have been saying this all along.. It is misleading the customer to think they will get what they will not.. a 2d & 3d Titler EDITOR.. Express is not an editor..

Actually, it is correct. Titler Pro Express is included. Titler Pro Express will let you select a template and change the text for that template. Titler Pro Express will not let you design your own titles.

Vidguy wrote on 3/5/2017, 7:33 AM

Jetdv, The Titler Express is of far less use than TitlerEX is. I think it was a Mistake for Newblue to withhold Titler EX as it will hurt both Magix and Newblue's business.. People will start to migrate away from these programs. Because when the vital ingredients are withheld then you no longer have the product people are accustomed to. The Magix site under features misled people into thinking they would be able to customize 3D text. Combine that with NewBlues changes in software suite called "complete" when it is actually incomplete because the most important ingredient TitlerEX is absent.. That is a recipe for disaster. People will not pay for a titler that should have already been in the package.. Especially the Suite package. You can explain away all the packages all you want but the bottom line is people were misled with MS14.. It's one thing to make a change but it's another thing to make people think things are included when they are not..

Vidguy wrote on 3/5/2017, 7:38 AM

It's not included, included is Titler Complete .

So the sales page is wrong?


Yes the Sales Page is wrong.. I have been saying this all along.. It is misleading the customer to think they will get what they will not.. a 2d & 3d Titler EDITOR.. Express is not an editor..

Actually, it is correct. Titler Pro Express is included. Titler Pro Express will let you select a template and change the text for that template. Titler Pro Express will not let you design your own titles.


Being only able to type text is not customizing and not editing.. That is a play on words and a spin.. Express is useless for most it is more of a sample plugin but not one to really 'edit' with.. No matter how New Blue tries to spin this they have lost with the public. So has Magix..

Cornico wrote on 3/5/2017, 8:02 AM

My showstopper for all New Blue product is this policy that jetdv explained.
Result of that policy is that I bought a Titler from NewBlue because the titler that came with VPro 12 did not work in VPro 13.
I used that titler a lot in VPro 13 projects and all those projects are now worthless in VPro 14, because they crash Vpro 14.
That's the main reason I say goodby to NewBlue.
Second reason is the advice of Vegas to uninstall al the New Blue software as a solution for starting and crashing problems of their program.