Tim_at_Boris wrote on 10/2/2003, 3:31 PM
Oh boy... ok I didn't mean that empty post.. my apologies,

I'm a Boris Product specialist. I have spoken or written to a few of you one on one, and I've now logged onto the forum, and read many of the posts, and it seems like you guys are pretty much right on.

The Red 3GL demo is now up, it does plug in, it has many title, 3D, Compositing features that I think you all will really dig.

I'm sure your not interested in marketing speak, so let me post my info in case you need a answer to any questions. If you need configuration details, how to buy info, feature lists- I'm available to you- please call.

I will try and log onto the list as often as I can, but if you need anything, please contact me directly,


Tim Doyle
BorisFx | Artel Software
Product Specialist
Phone 888.772.6747 ext 114


Jimmy_W wrote on 10/2/2003, 3:45 PM
Is this a marketing forum? Seems a member was beat up pretty bad not to long ago for posting a discounted book offer.
PAW wrote on 10/2/2003, 3:49 PM

This is one of the most important announcements for Vegas.

Make use of this kind offer. The guys at Boris are very helpful and make the difference between a great product and and awesome one.

RED 3GL is outstanding news for Vegas, and outstanding in itself.

Thanks for the offer Tim, hopefully there will be plenty of questions.

I am blown away by 3GL in Vegas............

Jimmy_W wrote on 10/2/2003, 4:52 PM
Not disputing the product. While it is my personal opinion that this topic would most likey be disscussed on this forum soon. That how hype starts.
Spam is Spam! Read the terms of agreement.
PDB wrote on 10/2/2003, 5:04 PM

I have been keeping a keen eye on it, but it is a lot of $$$$ for a simple hobbyist like me...any other lighter versions?

TheHappyFriar wrote on 10/2/2003, 5:29 PM
I still haven't gotten to try it yet (downloaded the demo). The I doubt i'l buy it though. I do all my editing on my own at home and don't have the $1500 for a copy. :( But it DOES look impressive. :)
PAW wrote on 10/2/2003, 5:30 PM
Hello Paul,

It is expensive although there are other ways of looking at it. What about all the other stuff you buy at different times.

Ulead 3D Studio $129
After Effects $XXX

After a while it adds up.

RED will do a lot of the things those other apps do and do it better, by far.

Still expensive I know but ........... It's Christmas soon :-)


TheHappyFriar wrote on 10/2/2003, 5:34 PM
How's this post spam? when Satish posts that a new version on PluginPac 3D LE is out, or the frameserver, winmorph, or his released date of TBA "Poor Mans Boris", that's not considered spam, but it's the same as Tim here. Should we ban Satish? Or JetDV for posting about his Vegas newsletter?

We should consider ourselves lucky the somone at Boris cares enough to care what we think! :)
Bill Ravens wrote on 10/2/2003, 5:40 PM
Over the last 6 months, since I bought Boris Red 2.5, Tim W. at BorisFX has been exceedingly kind and helpful to me, including allowing me to beta test Red 2.5. He deserves all the respect Satish gets as I think he offers more than he asks.

Give him respect, guys, he deserves it.
DGrob wrote on 10/2/2003, 5:43 PM
Amen TheHappyFriar, amen. Because of Vegas I've been exposed to and learned about and from Particle Illusion, Cool3D, Nero, assort'd hardware posts, and on and on. I think it's really cool that the Vegas world is so expansive (and occasionally, expensive). DGrob
rmack350 wrote on 10/2/2003, 5:45 PM

The issue was that the Borris demo didn't have the Vegas plugin enabled. A lot of curious people were really dissappointed.

Happily, it sounds like the plugin works now so vegas users can evaluate Red.

It's GOOD to have a little attention from other vendors. And this really wasn't spam at al.

Rob Mack
snicholshms wrote on 10/2/2003, 5:45 PM
It doesn't matter what Boris matters that they recognize the value of partnering with SONY Vegas!
THAT's a compliment and major industry recognition.
You may or may not choose to invest in Boris Red 3 OpenGL.
The Vegas users that do invest in Boris will need help learning this great new software.
We should all thank Tim Doyle for offering his support.
aboukirev wrote on 10/2/2003, 5:53 PM
I think, what people need to know is how all this Red and Vegas integration meant to be used.
Red 3GL is not your typical Vegas plugin. I would compare this to camcorder and computer/NLE "integration". Just the fact that I can control camcorder from NLE and capture footage does not make it a plugin. I will not go out shooting video on camcorder connected to computer while controlling it from NLE (well, you can use camcorder as live cam, of course, but that's not what it is intended for).
So with Boris Red 3GL the typical workflow as I understand it (I just started digging into it) is to develop effects in the Red standalone and save presets. Then, when using it from Vegas, use/load presets instead of doing the entire thing in plugin mode, and then just tweak/tune it. The idea being that you don't have to render it before bringing to Vegas, and you can stack it with other effects in Vegas that way. Yes, Red behaves totally as your normal plugin when you preview effects/transitions in Vegas, but besides that it stops being plugin and becomes a whole separate application on its own.

mjroddy wrote on 10/2/2003, 5:53 PM
Aye. Glad to see you here Mr. Tim. Hope you don't get beat up too bad just because you work for The Man. Your wisdom and assistance will be most welcome. -mjr