render 1920x1080 VS 1920x800

wwjd wrote on 12/23/2012, 9:40 AM
conundrummerum: soooo... I know Blu-Ray is 1920x1080, and I think it requires that size to make it happen.... is there ANY validity or usefulness or good reasons to render an edit that is 2.40:1 strait to a file that true to that ratio by making it 1920x800? Does it save space over the black bars 1080 render? Does it work on bluray? is the idea it best avoided and forgotten. I've seen some on video like that and think it is neat.

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musicvid10 wrote on 12/23/2012, 9:46 AM
1920x1080 is the BluRay spec.
So your video would be 1920x800 rendered on a 1920x1080 Screen format.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc


If you are rendering only for computer or streaming delivery, there is no harm in saving a bit of space by rendering 1920x800.
Handbrake does this by default.

TheHappyFriar wrote on 12/23/2012, 12:19 PM
So you're saying just blackbar it, right?

My personal opinion, but I hate the black bars. I hated them for widescreen on my 4:3 tube tv, I hate them still for my 4:3 on my 16:9 tv or non-16:9 ratio on my 16:9 TV. It's a waste of screen space imho (we did get the bigger, wider screens to use it, right?)

But just blackbar it in Vegas. I'd say set your project to the desired res, then render out your file to something lossless, put that new 1920x800 file on a 1920x1080 timeline & do it that way.

If you wanted to save space you could render out to the 1280x720 as I'd say the majority of people can play that vs 1080, but I doubt space is that much of an issue for ya.
john_dennis wrote on 12/23/2012, 2:29 PM
It's unlikely to save much space since it probably doesn't take too many extra bits to describe the constant black bars over and above the active video if you encode your 1920x800 video into the 1920x1080 legal Blu-ray video standard.
musicvid10 wrote on 12/23/2012, 3:30 PM
You'll not find a set with native 2.4 (Cinemascope) aspect so the bars will be there whether one encodes them in the video or not.
wwjd wrote on 12/23/2012, 4:15 PM
so, me follow up Q is like, if I make the PROJECT x800, can I simply drop that into DISC ARCHITECT and make a BLU-RAY from it?

Far as black bars go, it's a Movie Thang :)
musicvid10 wrote on 12/23/2012, 4:20 PM
As stated before, it is better to render to BluRay spec in Vegas so Architect does not render AGAIN. Render your 1920x800 movie on a 1920x1080 DVD Architect template.
Former user wrote on 12/23/2012, 4:52 PM
It's not really a movie thing, it is an aspect thing. New TV's are 16x9, your movie is 2.4:1 aspect. Since your TV is not that aspect, in order to display correctly, it has to make the width match your TV screen which as a result, the height of the picture will be smaller than the height of your screen, thus you get black bars. But you have to adhere to the Bluray specs, which in this case the closest is a 1920 x 1080 (16 x 9) aspect. If you put your 2.4:1 video on a 16x9 timeline correctly, it will have black bars at top and bottom, thus will display correctly.

Dave T2
wwjd wrote on 12/23/2012, 10:14 PM
I understand. I do want the black bars, because I want the 2.40:1 movie aspect ratio. I'm planning to preview my latest epic at a local theater and hope to use it to compare and improve the look of the video, like it was a real movie. It's NOT, but you get the idea. 2:40.1 and black bars is for me. ( i may end up on 2.35:1 since seems every movie I see uses that ratio these days)
I'm sticking to 1920x1080 for ease of everything all down the pipe. Thanks guys!!
farss wrote on 12/24/2012, 1:11 AM
Even if you step up to the full monty DCI standard for cinema it's the same. The spec is a 2048x1080 frame at 24fps or 48fps. For Scope (2.39:1) 2048x858 pixels are used i.e. you still have black pixels.

Bob.
musicvid10 wrote on 12/24/2012, 11:40 AM
You said BluRay in your first post, now you said you plan to play it in a movie theater.
Apples and oranges, two completely different considerations.

Theater projectors handle 2.40 and 2.35 straightaway from whatever their preferred file format is. I would not take a letterboxed BluRay disc to the projectionist unless they specifically ask for it. A conformed file on a portable drive is usually preferred. So that's one render for BluRay, and another (2K / 2048x858 possibly) Cinemascope display aspect for the theater.

wwjd wrote on 12/24/2012, 1:12 PM
I want to put it on bluray for my playback, and the theater is equipped to play digital files - although I am not sure if they use a computer or what. When it is done, I will go to them and check out their gear, figure out what they need. I can't make conforming movie files or whatever, if it ever came to that, the pros can take over. doubt it will come to that. :D
Thanks for all the info!!!