The standards have not changed.
Look at the post above, especially the purposely underlined words, All modern DVD players work this way afaik. They must deliver compliant NTSC or PAL through analog outputs.

Agree with musicvid. DVD does allow 24p soft telecined video on disc. All the DVDs I extracted to compress in Handbrake for use on a laptop came off as 24p. A TV show came off as 60i.

It makes sense to allow the soft telecine in the system. The main DVD market is movies which are 24p. It is trivial and inexpensive to convert 24p on the fly to 60i output. Progressive also compresses better than interlaced video.

@johnmeyer

Nice tackle, number 88! Nice restoration on the film, too.

Interestingly, my VLC (version 2.0.7) crashes when trying to play it from Dropbox. Usually it plays video from Dropbox just fine. It plays it properly from my hard disk.

Edit: Same with 2.0.8

@OldSmoke

No need to apologize!

Using the HDMI out of my SD DVD Player that uprezzes the video, the choices for output is 480p, 720p and 1080i. I did not check the settings for the component and composite out.

My Blu Ray Player outputs at 1080p using the HDMI. It gives choices of 480i, 480p, 720p and 1080i with the component out.

So, Yes, if one uses one of the interlaced settings then it would not make sense to burn a DVD progressive just to have it converted to interlace by the player and back to progressive by the TV. But if one chooses a progressive setting THEN it would out as progressive and the TV would play it as such.

An old CRT SD TV would want interlaced so the 480i interlaced would work fine for it.

So I record progressive, render progressive, burn a progressive DVD and the player sends progressive to my TV.

I have verified all of this.

What the player puts out will depend on the player itself AND how one has it setup.

In spite of what 'they' say the specs are, it works. And some of those articles are either out of date and/or have not been updated.

I noticed that Vegas does not have a Blu Ray render setting for 60p. I have seen a number of articles saying that 60p is not a Blu Ray spec and yet, my player will not only out to 60p it will play a Blu Ray DVD that is 60p. Note: I said 60p NOT 24p! It says right on the box that it is 60p!

Maybe they are updating the Blu Ray specs? I do not know.

Finally, knowing my camera (which is very important), shooting in 60p and my workflow will give me the absolute best results! The best mp4 renders for the internet with the lowest possible bit rates (long videos) and the best results for DVD be it SD and/or Blu Ray.

The best results are all I really care about! If others want to argue specs and all that is fine.

Peace!

I noticed that Vegas does not have a Blu Ray render setting for 60p. I have seen a number of articles saying that 60p is not a Blu Ray spec

AFAIK 720p59.94 is officially supported by the blu-ray standard. 1080 only up to 24. That is per spec.

There is nothing stopping a player from handling items outside the spec so long as the video stream works within the hardware constraints of the disc transfer rate and the video buffer size. There is just no guarantee that any specific player will work with such video.

@Vidmus
I can fully understand what you are saying and I know that it works too. Is there a 24p template in DVDA? I couldn't find one. Question now is, what goes on the DVD; progressive or interlaced? And if the DVD player has only an analog connection?

Aside from all that I can see that you seem to agree that it doesn't make sense to convert 60i to 24p and then somewhat hope the DVD player can handle it.
The OP has mainly 60i footage and that is why I don't understand his move but as you said, it's his choice in the end.

As for 60p on Blu-Ray. I think that has been already updated and my now 3 year old BD player can playback 60p and the TV can handle it too. I recently got a new small camera in addition to my Z5U, a Vixia HF G30 and it shoots in 60p AVCHD which is really great for my sport events; figure skating mostly. It just looks so much better then anything else and even down conversion straight from VP12 to 60i for DVD looks so much better then from 60i.
There are 60p templates under Sony AVC, I might give that a try but DVDA doesn't have a 60p template either. Unless the DVDA template settings are only there in case DVDA needs to re-render a file?

Looking in, and considering myself more of a novice pertaining to things discussed herein, I must say, this thread has to be deemed to be among the most educationally valuable throughout Sony Vegas Pro Video forums, regarding approaches to video rendering to DVD and BD.

Any who are prone to be hard-headed (I must include myself in that regard) would do well to take heed to the wisdom found here, and 'just want to say that as a newbie, I feel especially privileged to be here among you folks.

Just as a point of information.

1) Render Sony Vegas Pro project as "Mainconcept MPEG2->DVD Architect 24p NTSC"
2) Plop the rendered .mpg file in DVDA.
3) "Make DVD" in DVDA
4) Use MediaInfo to check the properties of the .VOB file, results in this:



...Jerry

btw: Plays nicely in all my DVD players

@OldSmoke

I am rendering to 30p because I get tired of the 'hurry up and wait' when it comes to 60p. I absolutely cannot stand 24p. It has been said to pan slowly and all BUT what does one do about a person who moves around a little bit too fast?

Anyway, my editing system is waiting for a new hard drive so I am goofing off on the forum today instead of getting work done. The system drive is fine, the work drive is what failed.

I am replacing a Hitachi with a WD velociraptor. I need more speed for raw videos.

It will be interesting to see how much more speed I actually get.

I use Sony YUV lossless for an intermediate going to HandBrake. I do not trust anything MOV!

NormanPCN said, "There is just no guarantee that any specific player will work with such video."

I have been doing this for some time now and I have yet to hear about problems from anyone.

Maybe there is a very old player out there somewhere that will not play it but I have yet to hear about it.