musicvid10 wrote on 2/12/2013, 4:04 PM
If you will render compliant video and audio from the Vegas BluRay templates, this won't happen, because it won't need to render your video a second time.
videoITguy wrote on 2/12/2013, 5:09 PM
Depending on several things - 1) Render seperate Blu-ray compliant video and audio streams in VegasPro before sending over to DVD Arch Pro for Blu-ray authoring.

2) The render process within Blu-ray is heavily dependent on how many intercepting menus are in the authoring stage design. The fewer and simpler menus, the better the process.

3) Render in DVDAPro is only to supposed to prepare the ISO on a local unencumbered hard-drive. That is stage 1 to a burn. Stage 2 should be burn of the ISO. The separate stages are the most efficient.

4) Render from DVDAPRO is very encumbered by using AVC as your format of video streams... choose MPEG2 for more successful and more efficient render step of the authoring design.

5) Time to render within DVDAPRO is definitely encumbered by total runtime length of finished disc. 1Hr of video in 1 segment or 3 ea. 20 min. segments is a heavy burden to burn to Blu-ray.
PeterDuke wrote on 2/12/2013, 5:25 PM
What Vegas video render settings did you use? If you don't render separate audio and video files, the audio will be re-encoded in DVDA, but that is usually quite fast.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 2/12/2013, 8:31 PM
DVDA seems to use only a single core/CPU for rendering. It would be nice if it had a render as fast as Vegas, but alas, you had to do all your thinking ahead of time like the previous posters said.
vtxrocketeer wrote on 2/12/2013, 8:57 PM
ingeborgdot, you didn't state the length of your movie, so it's hard to answer your question. I give DVD-A MPEG-2 and WAV files that are already Blu-ray compliant. For a ~1h production with several complex menus, I will wait several hours for DVD-A to prepare an iso image. It is not re-rendering my media; only the menus.

I'd say that your posted times are not outlandish unless your movie is very short.
ingeborgdot wrote on 2/12/2013, 10:37 PM
2 hours long. It does have some intricate menu items. I rendered my VP to HDV 1080i 60. What do I need to have my DVD Arc. settings to. When I came home tonight it was still going and had been going 7 hours and was not close to being done. If I made my menus pretty basic would that help a lot.
PeterDuke wrote on 2/12/2013, 10:47 PM
DVDA re-renders HDV. That is one of its failings.

I understand that TMPGEnc Authoring Works, for instance, does not re-render HDV.
ingeborgdot wrote on 2/12/2013, 11:48 PM
So I need to spend another $100 to get something to work?
PeterDuke wrote on 2/13/2013, 1:09 AM
You could render to a format that DVDA does accept, such as AVCHD or Blu-ray AVC.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 2/13/2013, 6:15 AM
Or one of the mpeg-2 BD templates. That renders HDV in almost real time, maybe faster depending on your system.
ingeborgdot wrote on 2/13/2013, 8:15 AM
I have an HDR-FX7. So if I render in VP what would be the best to render with in that first? There are many suggestions but which would be best (quality and speed)? Thanks.
musicvid10 wrote on 2/13/2013, 8:27 AM
Use the MPEG-2 BluRay DVD Architect Video Template most closely matching your source footage. Use the Dolby Digital AC3 Pro template. Make two files. Put the video on the Media Timeline in DVDA and set the project accordingly. Good luck.
ingeborgdot wrote on 2/13/2013, 8:33 AM
That will slow down my render time in VP but it should not be 21 hours worth I hope. I will try that later tonight.
vtxrocketeer wrote on 2/13/2013, 8:51 AM
You must render the video and audio into Blu-ray compliant format. Your choice is to use DVD-A, Vegas Pro, or another piece of software t oaccomplish these tasks. No way around this. You just chose the absolutely slowest option above. Vegas will render faster and offer more options for tweaking quality than will DVD-A. If you follow musicvid's advice, you'll be golden. ;)
ingeborgdot wrote on 2/13/2013, 11:50 AM
I have gone and followed the recommended steps and the render time is a lot slower than the native one for that video but if this helps it should save me almost 20 hours. I hope so.
Arthur.S wrote on 2/13/2013, 12:07 PM
What I find buck stupid is that the Blu-ray spec includes MPEG2. So why does DVDA insist on rerendering HDV MPEG2? Especially when you can set the properties to match it? AND you can drop a DVD compatible MPEG2 into a Blu-ray project, and NO re-render - as long as the properties are set for it. Somehow the dots haven't been joined.

Uh oh....fallen foul of the forum sheriff. Let's say "Buck silly" then. :-)
Former user wrote on 2/13/2013, 12:16 PM
From what I read online, the HDV MPEG stream is not bluray compatible. It has to be re-rendered to a compatible MPEG2 format.

Dave Gt2
PeterDuke wrote on 2/13/2013, 5:00 PM
Nick Hope uses TMPGEnc Authoring Works to put HDV on Blu-ray without re-rendering.
Former user wrote on 2/13/2013, 5:30 PM
Yeah, I have read that on the web. I would have to assume that TMPGEnc must be demuxing to make it compatible.

Can't find any other information or anybody else claiming to do it.

Dave T2
Arthur.S wrote on 2/13/2013, 5:30 PM
Yes, I use Nick's work flow too. It's well documented here in a looooooonnnng thread. It also involves demuxing the TMPGEnc file afterwards for no re-render in DVDA.
TheHappyFriar wrote on 2/13/2013, 8:32 PM
Before DVDA I used TMPGenc. I bought the DVD & mpeg-2 encoder.

It also allowed non standard DVD's.
PeterDuke wrote on 2/13/2013, 11:06 PM
Here is a thread in which Blu-ray from HDV is discussed:

Nick's first post has a link to another thread.
PeterDuke wrote on 2/13/2013, 11:23 PM
The long-winded way of going via TAW to put HDV on a BD authored by DVDA doesn't avoid other limitations of DVDA.

For me the deal breaker is that the back/forward skip buttons don't work with my Panasonic BD player if the BD has more than one menu page. (However, they do work with my network media player.)

I now author BDs with TAW and leave it at that, although I prefer the overall functionality of DVDA.