Render To Square Aspect for Cubes VP11?

frederick-wise wrote on 1/29/2012, 8:39 PM

I'm making a 6 faced cube. Each face is a short video clip. I want to render each face as a square. I successfully did it a few months ago in Vegas Pro 10 using the AVI default uncompressed setting (which matched the project settings) but I don't see that setting for AVI in VP 11 nor a way to customize it. Does anyone know how to render to a square aspect output in Vegas Pro 11?

Thanx, Frederick


Rory Cooper wrote on 1/30/2012, 1:36 AM
Vegas 11 has gone backwards!.... SCS has lost touch with its users.

It appears you can only render to set formats of the web, DVD, HD, and SD. This is a big issue. just one example I also create animation and video content for large LED billboards
Sizes like 1.2m x 22m & 1.5 x 3.5 the best way is to set the property settings to scale and render to scale. No go in Vegas 11

What SCS has done is take Pro 10, take out some useful stuff as above and other important creative PTT elements add some useless futures and call it Pro 11.

To put it into perspective, you go to your doctor he takes out your perfectly working lungs and heart throws them in the bin and puts you on a heart and lung machine which is prone to power outages and crashes, but to keep with the times gives you a tummy tuck.

Give me back my original stuff and you can keep your cosmetics.

On the up: The improvements in compositing in PRO 11 very cool.
[r]Evolution wrote on 1/30/2012, 3:50 AM
Small things can be Big if it's what you use.
I use my heart and lungs yet have no need for a tummy tuck.
I too would hate to see the features I use go bye-bye.

Versions ago, I used to deliver to all types of non traditional sizes using Vegas. Back then Vegas was the only NLE that would successfully do it. Presently, I no longer need that feature so I wouldn't even notice it missing but feel your pain because when I needed it... I needed it. That's one of the main features that kept Vegas installed in our Avid suites. Along with truly being able to open any format/size we threw at it.
Chienworks wrote on 1/30/2012, 6:01 AM
Very interesting and depressing. This alone would make version 11 a no-show for me. I often created animated web page headers/banners in sizes like 800x72.

Why would this ability be removed? Sheesh.
Former user wrote on 1/30/2012, 6:39 AM
I have Version 11. I created a generated media video, and rendered an uncompressed AVI at 720 x 72. So yes, you can render in custom sizes. Am I misunderstanding the problem?

Dave T2
Rory Cooper wrote on 1/30/2012, 6:47 AM
No Dave if that is so then I am misunderstanding something.

I could create project sizes that I needed but when it came to render I got a no render template dialogue.

How did you render out?
Former user wrote on 1/30/2012, 7:25 AM

Select any of the templates, I usually select the one that most closely matches what I want, and then hit the CUSTOMIZE TEMPLATE option near the bottom of the box. Then you can create your own template with a dialog similar to previous versions.

If you don't see the customize button, scroll your window down a bit.


Dave T2
Former user wrote on 1/30/2012, 7:34 AM

I have not found any of the rendering options removed. The only difference I have found is you HAVE to select a template, but you can alter that template and make your own using dialog very similar to other versions of Vegas. They may have made you adhere more to lthe limitations of the codec, so like if you choose DV-AVI, then your options for resolution are restricted. If I remember correctly, you could still make other resolutions before, but then it is not a DV-AVI.

Dave T2
frederick-wise wrote on 1/30/2012, 7:37 AM

Can you go thru the steps to customize in VP11? I tried it a few times with no success - it's very confusing in VP11 compared to customization in VP10. In fact, all of the rendering options (or lack of) seem way more confusing in VP11

Thanx, Frederick
Former user wrote on 1/30/2012, 7:47 AM
Frederick, I will try.

1) Select RENDER AS

2) For the most options, untick = Match Project Settings. (this option will only show you codecs that match your project's current settings)

3) untick Show Favorites Only

4) Select the wrapper (ie. Video for Windows (*avi) or Quicktime 7 (*mov)

5) Select a template from the dropdown list ( = NTSC DV, etc)

6) Click on Customize Template box (right below the description of the currently selected option.

7) So for example you Select NTSC DV, after you click Customize, select the Video Format dropdown and choose Uncompressed

8) After you choose Uncompressed, the frame size becomes active, select (custom frame size) and enter in your width and heigth. Select any other options you want to change (frame rate, field order, etc.)

9) Select audio tab at bottom if you need to change any audio options.

10)To use this template in the future, type in a new name at the top where it says Template and click the Disk Icon. Notice the format description will change to your current settings.

I hope this helps.

Dave T2
frederick-wise wrote on 1/30/2012, 3:06 PM
Thanx Dave,

I had to fiddle around with it in step 7 to get the frame size to stop being greyed out. I think selecting the video format made the frame size active and then I was able to choose "match project" size. Regardless, now it seems to be working properly and the forums, and you, once again saved the day!

Oops, for some reason it doesn't want to play in Windows Media Player. OK, now I've tried the DV encoder and it plays but the uncompressed encoder wouldn't play. Strange....
Rory Cooper wrote on 2/1/2012, 3:56 AM
Shot Dave

I see Pro 11 will render to *mov or uncompressed *avi. I wish they would extend it to Mp4,x264 or AVC. As this is the current trend that media folks are leaning toward.
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 2/1/2012, 4:09 AM
Rory, I've been able to render out lots of custom frame sizes in lots of formats, you just have to customize the template, and in the video options there will be a drop down to select custom size. Some formats don't allow for spec reasons I assume, and others seem to have a minimum for each field like 144 seems to be the minimum in the Main Concept MP4, where the WMV can go down to 4x4 or 32x32 or something like that. not quite the same as before but custom is still there folks.
Rory Cooper wrote on 2/2/2012, 11:54 PM
Ahhh gotcha thanks.

You have to select any “Wrong template” then reset the perams. I didn’t check but will Vegas save this as a template?
What’s up with all the yellow stars if I select and highlight will Vegas 11 render the project out to all the selected stars?

WillemT wrote on 2/3/2012, 3:16 AM
Yes it will save the template as you set it.

What’s up with all the yellow stars if I select and highlight will Vegas 11 render the project out to all the selected stars?

We can dream? No, the stars mark them as favorites. When you check the "Show favorites only" checkbox only tthe yellow starred ones show in the list. Can save you a bit of searching.

Production Assistant allows you to set up a list of output formats to render to as well as saving the list for future use. For example: render to mpg widescreen pal and Dolby Pro .ac3. Save as DVD preset.

Hope that helps