Rendering in After Effects to Vegas

MarcS wrote on 3/22/2004, 10:35 AM
I am new to Vegas (from Canopus). If I'm composing a motion graphics project in After Effects 5.5, what is the best way to render the avi output for use in Vegas. I don't see any options in AE for compression listing Vegas. I've chosen Microsoft DV with no compression. This leads to very very large files. Is this the best way?

Thanks,

Marc S

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Chienworks wrote on 3/22/2004, 11:08 AM
Well, there is no such thing as "DV with no compression". DV is a compressed AVI file. Not all DV codecs play well together though. I would recommend using uncompressed AVI at 654x480 29.97fps (NTSC) or 786x576 25fps (PAL). These files will be about 1.7GB/minute. If you've got the hard drive space available, it's the best way to go for quality and compatability.
Spot|DSE wrote on 3/22/2004, 11:08 AM
You can output an uncompressed avi, you can output an uncompressed mov, you can export sequential TGA, sequential PNG...all work. I recommend that you use either uncompressed or sequential tga.
MarcS wrote on 3/22/2004, 11:30 AM
Thank you for your help.

Will these uncompressed files play back smoothly in Vegas 4, meaning in realtime?

For example, I had a 60 second graphic that I made in AE5.5. I rendered it as an uncompressed avi file and, like you said above, it was a gig sized file. When I imported it into Vegas 4, the preview seemed very slow on my internal or external monitor (probably because it is uncompressed). I then rendered it through Vegas 4 using the standard NTSC DV settings and I got a smaller 217 MB file which now previews very easily in my monitor, making it easier to edit and enhance in Vegas 4.

Is there any way to have it compressed in AE such that it's compression codec is compatable with Vegas 4 parameters?

I hope this isn't a dumb question!

- Marc S
Chienworks wrote on 3/22/2004, 1:35 PM
I don't have AE, so i can't tell you. However, if you can find a DV codec in AE then you can try it. The worst that will happen is you waste some time trying. Alternatively you can install a 3rd party DV codec (Main Concept makes one) which is compatible with both AE and Vegas. 3rd party codecs generally cost some money though.
MarcS wrote on 3/22/2004, 1:37 PM
Microsoft DV codec is listed in AE as a possible render codec? Is this a reasonable choice for use with Vegas?

- Marc S
winrockpost wrote on 3/22/2004, 1:46 PM
Just bring in the uncompressed to vegas and render it,if you feel you have to use a dv codec ,matrox has one that is vegas and AE friendly dvcpro
and dvcpro50 .Free ,at least used to be,from matrox.
though I think uncompressed is the way to go
Chienworks wrote on 3/22/2004, 1:48 PM
The Microsoft DV codec should work, but it is really bad. The image will be noticeably darker and blurrier. I'd recommend avoiding it.
filmy wrote on 3/22/2004, 2:16 PM
Satish was working on a frame server plug-in for AE but I think he stoped working on it. That would be great for thoseof use who use AE and vegas. On the other hand someone made a plug-in for AE that allows import of Vegas EDLS into AE. Npt sure how ell it works because I don't anyone who uses it.

For rendering I either render out uncompressed or, for DV, using the Main Concept DV codec.
kevgl wrote on 3/22/2004, 4:08 PM
I use AE a hell of a lot and will keep everything as a tga sequence as long as possible to stop artifacts appearing. AE's RAM preview is very good these days, especially if you have a couple of Gig of RAM. Once all AE work is done, i'll bring the sequence into Vegas and render it to DV. Don't keep it as a tga sequence in an NLE, will bog down. Once it is compressed it shouldn't need to compress again because if you had it in AE I would assume you don't need to add any more effects in Vegas?

Works fine for me.

Cheers
BrianStanding wrote on 3/23/2004, 8:28 AM
There's always HUFYUV. It's a freeware "lossless" codec that seems to work pretty well. Do a Google search, and you should be able to find it.
mark2929 wrote on 3/23/2004, 10:55 AM
Im Sure there is a way to use the main concept codec from Vegas In AE But Im not sure how to do it. I always render uncompressed from AE..Failing that I would try BStandings suggestion or alternatively Buy one :)
filmy wrote on 3/23/2004, 11:11 AM
>>>Im Sure there is a way to use the main concept codec from Vegas In AE But Im not sure how to do it<<<

Same way you do in Vegas. You select AVI as the output and MC DV as the compression.
Chienworks wrote on 3/23/2004, 11:40 AM
Remember that the Main Concept codec in Vegas is MPEG/MPEG2, not DV. Vegas uses Sony's own proprietary DV codec which is not available to any other software.
filmy wrote on 3/23/2004, 11:45 AM
I think I misread the comment...you can not use the Vegas DV codec in another program but you can use the 'stand alone' Main Concept DV in both Vegas and AE by selecting AVI as the format and either MC_DV or Main Concept DV as the compression. If you are talking about Mpeg - I am not sure why you want to render out of AE as Mpeg and bring it into Vegas to edit. ..or am I missing the point?
VIDEOGRAM wrote on 3/23/2004, 1:14 PM
Hi.

One other thing.
I can't explain the reason, but at the 2 sec 26 frames, a frame will be repeated from your AE export in VEGAS. A previous thread a couple of months ago explained this. I believe it was John Cline who did the technical explanation of this "problem".

Gilles
mark2929 wrote on 3/23/2004, 1:27 PM
Filmy IM sure there is a way to use the mainconcept codec from Vegas in AE But Im not sure how. ThIs WAS what I meant.. I think the point is to save space on the hard drive I dont know If its iMPORTANT To use main concept except that it is virtually lossless as Kelly showed with his tests a while back. I dont know about other Codecs I let better qualified people answer

Hey Muttley Know how yer feel us simple folk not a lot o questions for us to answer and the harder ones are well... ard.