Rendering .MOV in Vegas Pro 9.0e (build1147)

bobcharest wrote on 2/23/2012, 12:42 PM

My system is HP Pavilon DV6000 Laptop, Intel i5 2.67MHz 4Gb of ram.
The Vegas project contains 13 MOV files and is 8:06 long with 11,655 frames

The files are 1920x1080x24, 23.976fps and all but 2 are H.264. The other two are MPEG-4. Audio is 48,000Hz uncompressed. The two that are MPEG-4 are files that I had to edit with Vegas after the original MOV files were delivered to me.

The project rendered as MainConcept AVC/AAC mp4 (after one crash) with the following settings:
1920 x 1080 frame size
Frame rate 23.976
Pixel aspect ratio 1.0000
VBR: Max 10,000,000, Avg 4,000,000
Audio: Sample rate 48,000Hz, Bit rate(bps) 256,000

When rendering as MOV, all frames are processed (the progress bar indicates 75%) and then when finalizing, a message is displayed indicating that there was an error saving the file.
I’ve tested with smaller projects and had no problem with a 5-minute project with 9 files.
Reading on this forum, I’ve tried some suggestions:
Set the maximum number of rendering threads to 1,
Set the Dynamic RAM Preview Max to 0.
Neither of these parameter adjustments changed the scenario.
I also monitored memory commit size and the max was 1.374Gb – the total amount of memory used was 2.6Gb.

The rendering setting for MOV files are:
High Definition (1920x1080)
Frame rate: 23.976 (IVTC Film)
Pixel aspect ratio: 1.000
Video format: MPEG-4 Video
Compressed depth: 244 bpp color
Quality: 50%
Data rate: Unconstrained
Keyframe every 24 frames

Audio is uncompressed 48,000Hz, stereo, 16-bit

Aside from changes to parameters that would allow me to produce an HD MOV file, are there steps that I could/should take to get the result I want? I’ve tried researching pre-rendering, but am unsure as to what method best preserves the quality.

I’m hoping to finalize a 35-minute video comprised of the material I’ve described and other videos by the middle of March.

Best regards,
Bob Charest

Comments

Former user wrote on 2/23/2012, 1:10 PM

From what I understand, the MP4 container is not standard with uncompressed audio. I don't know if this is the problem, but could be.

Dave T2

bobcharest wrote on 2/23/2012, 1:27 PM

Hi Dave,

Thanks for your reply!

I used uncompressed audio with the MOV rendering. Do I understand correctly that the two MOV files that I created using the MPEG-4 codec that are in the project could be the problem? One of the MOV files with MPEG-4 codec was in the 5 minute project that rendered to MOV successfully. Might you have any suggestion for an alternative codec that would allow me to produce an MOV file for the end result?

I may have to ask a lot of questions as I'm an audio professional(musician) but have been using Vegas in a very limited capacity for a while.

Best regards,
Bob

Former user wrote on 2/23/2012, 1:35 PM

No, what I am saying is you are trying to render to a non-standard mp4 file. MP4 normally uses AAC audio and that is the standard. Uncompressed audio with an MP4 file is non-standard. This may be why it gives an error after rendering. But I am not sure. Other people on here might be more specific. But if you do a google search you will find this is a non-standard format.

Dave T2

bobcharest wrote on 2/23/2012, 1:53 PM

Hi Dave,

I was able to render to MP4, so I'm not trying to create an MP4 file - I was able to do that. I only included that information to try to present everything one might need to advise me. The problem that I'm trying to solve is that I'm not able to render to MOV. When rendering to MOV my settings are:
High Definition (1920x1080)
Frame rate: 23.976 (IVTC Film)
Pixel aspect ratio: 1.000
Video format: MPEG-4 Video
Compressed depth: 244 bpp color
Quality: 50%
Data rate: Unconstrained
Keyframe every 24 frames

Audio is uncompressed 48,000Hz, stereo, 16-bit

Also, I just now (in testing) was able to render a 6:20 minute MOV file with all but the last MOV file in the project. Funny thing was, Vegas threw an error indicating that it had failed but the file was created anyway. The characteristics of memory behavior were about the same as the previous failed attempt. My initial method for testing is going to be focused on how long the video is as it seems to be related to the success/failure of the attempt. I'm going to try to render a 7-minute version now.

Dave, if I'm missing what you were kindly trying to point out, please pardon my ignorance... and try to get me to understand. I'm really trying to be as clear as I can, but may not be succeeding!

Best regards,
Bob

Former user wrote on 2/23/2012, 2:03 PM

If you look at your settings you are rendering to an MP4 (MPEG-4) in an MOV container. A MOV file can be many different types of codecs including, MP4, h264, animation, etc. Your settings indicate you are rendering to an MPEG4. Now here again, I don't know if that is the problem, but you could try changing the MOV format and see if it renders correctly.

Dave T2

bobcharest wrote on 2/23/2012, 2:27 PM

Hi Dave,
I understand now - thanks!

I originally wanted to use H.264 but can't find one in Vegas Pro 9.

Aside from MPEG-4, what would be your suggestion for the best codec for what I'm trying to do?

Best regards,
Bob

Former user wrote on 2/23/2012, 2:30 PM

Yes, Vegas does not allow you access to the QT H264, I don't know why. You can purchase the QT Pro software for $29 or so and render from that.

But before I could give you other advice, what are you planning with your final video, WEB, DVD, other?

Dave T2

bobcharest wrote on 2/23/2012, 2:48 PM

Hi Dave,

The intention is to have a DVD to play in repeat mode, or, to have an HD MOV playing in a loop on a PC outputting to a large monitor as background during trade shows for the band.

I appreciate you taking the time to advise me :-)

Thanks!
Bob

PS: The 7-minute video just completed without errors of any kind.

bobcharest wrote on 2/23/2012, 2:52 PM

One other item:

The last MOV file has our logo on it with rolling credits, all within the MOV file. Our logo was a large GIF file. I didn't know if that was significant, but wanted to mention it.

Former user wrote on 2/23/2012, 3:12 PM

Okay, to make a DVD, you want to use an MPEG2. That is the DVD standard and there are presets in Vegas for creating a DVD MPEG2 file. You also need to make an AC3 audio file and then use DVDArchitect or some other DVD authoring software to create the DVD.

Dave T2

bobcharest wrote on 2/23/2012, 3:16 PM

Thanks, I understand. I own DVD Architect so that won't be a problem.

Any suggestions for creating a long MOV file for the PC? Or should I use another HD format for that? Open to suggestions.

Thanks again,
Bob

bobcharest wrote on 2/23/2012, 7:46 PM

Update:

I took the 8-minute MP4 file that I'd successfully created and was able to render an 8-minute MOV from it in Vegas without any errors.

Either something in the MOV files used in the original Vegas project or the fact that I was trying to render from MOV files would seem to be related to the problem I've been having.

Might anyone have advice for creating larger/longer projects when supplied with MOV files as a starting point? If aynone on the forums could help with intermediate rendering methods I would be very grateful.

Best regards,
Bob Charest