Rendering Project - VP17

formingus wrote on 11/1/2021, 8:47 AM

Is there an option like in other video editors, so when we Rendering, rendering to be same as video input fps, kbs etc ?
Thanks in Advance

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j-v wrote on 11/1/2021, 9:58 AM

Which Vegas Program and buildnumber?

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formingus wrote on 11/1/2021, 12:25 PM

Which Vegas Program and buildnumber?

Vegas Pro 17 Build 452

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j-v wrote on 11/1/2021, 12:44 PM

Then you posted at the wrong forum, this is the forum for Vegas Movie Studio normal and Platinum

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EricLNZ wrote on 11/1/2021, 5:56 PM

Moved to VP.

RogerS wrote on 11/1/2021, 7:24 PM

Above the render templates are options to filter for resolution and framerate.

formingus wrote on 11/2/2021, 8:15 AM

Above the render templates are options to filter for resolution and framerate.

It's what we can do. The question is related is there an option so Rendering will use its own Video properties? Thanks

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RogerS wrote on 11/2/2021, 12:38 PM

Yes, you can filter for "match project video frame rate", etc.

Vegas doesn't automatically just output a video based on the project properties. If you want to do that try Voukoder.

 

formingus wrote on 11/2/2021, 1:03 PM

Yes, I try that before I post, but unfortunately, it's not the solution. Ok thanks for Replay

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RogerS wrote on 11/3/2021, 8:36 AM

Do you have a friend who can help you with English? I really don't understand what you are asking for.

You can match resolution and frame rate. For bitrate it is entirely dependent on the codec you render to so you don't want to match source footage- just use a bitrate that is adequate for your chosen resolution and frame rate. The presets in Vegas are a fine place to start (though a bit on the high side for HEVC).

If you need small AVC files of good quality, x264 through Voukoder is a great option.

formingus wrote on 11/3/2021, 12:58 PM

Do you have a friend who can help you with English? I really don't understand what you are asking for.

You can match resolution and frame rate. For bitrate it is entirely dependent on the codec you render to so you don't want to match source footage- just use a bitrate that is adequate for your chosen resolution and frame rate. The presets in Vegas are a fine place to start (though a bit on the high side for HEVC).

If you need small AVC files of good quality, x264 through Voukoder is a great option.

What I am asking for is a Rendering project to match video input ones.

When I use other video editors ex: VideoPAD, after editing, rendering will use automatic video input values.

About filtering. Some videos with a low resolution like TikTok ones 576x1024, on filtering there are no presets.

What I am asking for is very simple - AUTOMATIC VIDEO CONTENT LIKE FPR, KBS, SIZE, ECT, AT OUTPUT RENDERING.

 

Unfortunately it does not exist in Vegas pRO 17, but in Filmora or Video Edit yes.

 

Thanks for help

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System Memory    8122 MB  (DDR3 SDRAM)
Video Adapter    Intel(R) HD Graphics 4400  (3 GB)
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RogerS wrote on 11/3/2021, 10:30 PM

Thank you for explaining it more fully.

You are right- Vegas doesn't have some of the fully automated modes of more beginner-oriented software. How does that software handle mismatches where some of the media is of one resolution and bitrate and other media at a different resolution or bitrate? I don't think you'd want the software to just guess.

Voukoder is a better solution for what you want as it will follow the project (not the media) resolution and framerate. Custimze and go to the Voukoder dialogue Apply the general purpose (recommended) preset and then for options you'll see Constant Rate Factor. This is a much smarter way to encode than just bitrate. Default is 23 for pretty good. Want higher quality? Use a lower number. I don't think you'll go back to guessing bitrates after this. An explanation of different ways to control encoding quality here.

Filtering works fine in Vegas- where there are presets. If you have a special resolution and framerate you like to use, save your own custom preset and then it will show up with a = sign next to it when you go to filter.

formingus wrote on 11/4/2021, 7:37 AM

Thank you for explaining it more fully.

You are right- Vegas doesn't have some of the fully automated modes of more beginner-oriented software. How does that software handle mismatches where some of the media is of one resolution and bitrate and other media at a different resolution or bitrate? I don't think you'd want the software to just guess.

Voukoder is a better solution for what you want as it will follow the project (not the media) resolution and framerate. Custimze and go to the Voukoder dialogue Apply the general purpose (recommended) preset and then for options you'll see Constant Rate Factor. This is a much smarter way to encode than just bitrate. Default is 23 for pretty good. Want higher quality? Use a lower number. I don't think you'll go back to guessing bitrates after this. An explanation of different ways to control encoding quality here.

Filtering works fine in Vegas- where there are presets. If you have a special resolution and framerate you like to use, save your own custom preset and then it will show up with a = sign next to it when you go to filter.

Believe me, VideoPad is Miracle in this case. Filmora will make a big file, but VideoPad will use such a gr8 Compression with nice-looking video. The reason why i want to go after Vegas is more professional editing and Vegas has them WO any doubt. Mine though this can be the only missing option for intermediate users like me.

My problem with manual input is I am getting 50% bigger output files from input ones. Thas why i ask for this option. Thanks a lot for the kind replays. Appreciated

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RogerS wrote on 11/4/2021, 7:53 AM

Feel free to share a screenshot of the render setting you are using and we can give advice. I think you'll be happy with Voukoder in Vegas if you really want to limit file size but still have good quality.

It's not always reasonable to output a file the same size as the input one- cameras and phones take shortcuts to save on storage space (high compression and even reducing framerate!), so you may end up with a bigger but better quality file.

formingus wrote on 11/4/2021, 11:21 AM

Feel free to share a screenshot of the render setting you are using and we can give advice. I think you'll be happy with Voukoder in Vegas if you really want to limit file size but still have good quality.

It's not always reasonable to output a file the same size as the input one- cameras and phones take shortcuts to save on storage space (high compression and even reducing framerate!), so you may end up with a bigger but better quality file.

Voukoder makes a gr8 job - really gr8 - thanks 100 times for the suggestion.

The last thing.

This encoder gives me gr8 quality and small size but takes too much time
Is there a problem posting a video while rendering? And is there a problem because I mention other editors in the vegas forum? Thanks

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john_dennis wrote on 11/4/2021, 11:43 AM

"Is there a problem posting a video while rendering?"

No. I do it all the time. While I'm typing, I have an 8TB file transfer going.

"is there a problem because I mention other editors in the vegas forum?"

Many of us are are pan-editorial. Just be respectful to the developers of all editors mentioned.

formingus wrote on 11/4/2021, 1:02 PM

 

If there would not be such a huge difference i will not post it , but its over 2700% faster renderin

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john_dennis wrote on 11/4/2021, 1:44 PM

The neutral arbiter responds:

"Use the tool that fits your requirement the best. I do."

RogerS wrote on 11/4/2021, 9:49 PM

It's all tradeoffs- do you want fast at the expense of file size and quality? You can use NVENC or QSV within Voukoder (or MagicAVC with VCE, NVENC or QSV). I do this for draft renders.

Do you want great quality and low file size but longer render time, use Voukoder x264 set to good quality. In a hurry- increase the CRF somewhat to 23 or higher.

Your other software has the same basic tradeoffs.

Former user wrote on 11/5/2021, 12:47 AM

 

 

If there would not be such a huge difference i will not post it , but its over 2700% faster renderin

 

 

I don't know anything about that other video editor software you used, but it may be very simplified with minimal options, and uses hardware encode without it telling you, while Voukoder is using software encoding, you have to go into Voukoder options to change codecs.

Hardware encoding doesn't work correctly in my VP18,but when I run Voukoder in another app using hardware encode it runs about as fast as your other video editor which proves the difference in speed is hardware VS software encoding.

 

formingus wrote on 11/5/2021, 4:27 AM

The neutral arbiter responds:

"Use the tool that fits your requirement the best. I do."

But i want to use Vegas because it has more pro futures , thas why i am seeking for a solution. Thanks

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System Memory    8122 MB  (DDR3 SDRAM)
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formingus wrote on 11/5/2021, 4:40 AM

It's all tradeoffs- do you want fast at the expense of file size and quality? You can use NVENC or QSV within Voukoder (or MagicAVC with VCE, NVENC or QSV). I do this for draft renders.

Do you want great quality and low file size but longer render time, use Voukoder x264 set to good quality. In a hurry- increase the CRF somewhat to 23 or higher.

Your other software has the same basic tradeoffs.

I seek for hardware and software decoding in Voukoder options I can't find them!!!
Does preview during rendering slow down a lot of rendering? I yes, can be preview turned OFF during rendering?

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System Memory    8122 MB  (DDR3 SDRAM)
Video Adapter    Intel(R) HD Graphics 4400  (3 GB)
3D Accelerator    Intel HD Graphics 4400
Multimedia Realtek ALC290 @ Intel Lynx Point-LP PCH - High Definition Audio Controller
Disk Drive    Seagate M3 Portable SCSI Disk Device  (3726 GB)
Disk Drive    GIGABYTE GP-GSTFS31256GTND  (256 GB, SATA-III)

formingus wrote on 11/5/2021, 4:40 AM

 

 

If there would not be such a huge difference i will not post it , but its over 2700% faster renderin

 

 

I don't know anything about that other video editor software you used, but it may be very simplified with minimal options, and uses hardware encode without it telling you, while Voukoder is using software encoding, you have to go into Voukoder options to change codecs.

Hardware encoding doesn't work correctly in my VP18,but when I run Voukoder in another app using hardware encode it runs about as fast as your other video editor which proves the difference in speed is hardware VS software encoding.

 

Where can i change HW and SW decoding ? I cant find in Voukoder oprions !

Windows 10 Pro
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Hewlett-Packard HP Pavilion 15 Notebook PC
System Memory    8122 MB  (DDR3 SDRAM)
Video Adapter    Intel(R) HD Graphics 4400  (3 GB)
3D Accelerator    Intel HD Graphics 4400
Multimedia Realtek ALC290 @ Intel Lynx Point-LP PCH - High Definition Audio Controller
Disk Drive    Seagate M3 Portable SCSI Disk Device  (3726 GB)
Disk Drive    GIGABYTE GP-GSTFS31256GTND  (256 GB, SATA-III)

j-v wrote on 11/5/2021, 5:15 AM

met vriendelijke groet
Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver
566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 23H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 581.29 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 26.20.100.7985
Vegas software: VP 10 to 23 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

RogerS wrote on 11/5/2021, 5:15 AM

Preview settings don't affect your render- Vegas has to render the frames anyway and it just shows them to you.

In Voukoder x.264 and x.265 are always software (CPU)-based encoding. (Decoding= playback)
In Vegas, MagixAVC (Mainconcept) is software. MagicAVC or MagixHEVC with NVENC, VCE or QSV are hardware-based encoding.

Here are all the choices I have in Voukoder. Your system will vary, so if you have no AMD GPU, there's no VCE. QSV only works with certain Intel processors and their iGPUs. My only hardware accelerated choice is NVENC (NVIDIA) h.264.