Revisiting Ext. Monitor issues

prairiedogpics wrote on 8/13/2002, 7:46 AM

I've been looking at all the posts re: issues with external monitors, and just last night I hooked mine up for the first time and saw that I had similar issues (for which none of the posts have a definitive answer). Here's what happens with my set up:
I "capture" DV AVI (720x480) from a Hi-8 camcorder via my Firewire/ADVC-100 A/D converter (zero frames dropped) thru VV3's vid cap. While in the vid cap utility, if I right-click on the captured file and choose play (the utility switches to "print-to-tape") and view it on the external monitor (firewire port to ADVC-100 to monitor) it plays FLAWLESSLY. I close vid cap and then try to view the same clip thru the external monitor via the explorer window OR from the timeline within VV3 and the clip essentially "skips" frames on the external monitor. When played in the same fashion in the VV3 preview window (not external monitor) the clips play fine once again. Anybody have a clue? Why should the files play fine thru vid cap's "print to tape" function (VV3 open in the background) and not play perfectly from with in VV3's timeline?
Square pixels are off, properties match video source, defragged drives.
PIII 866 MHz, 512 MB RAM, 32 MB GeForce2 MX, 40 GB 7200 RPM OS HDD, 60 GB 7200 RPM HDD(video only) on PCI Ultra ATA 100 controller card, Win ME.

Dynamic RAM previews and prerenders play fine in VV3's preview window (not ext. mon.), but skip frames on external monitor.

Any suggestions would be appreciated. Sonic Foundry?

Dan

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John_Beech wrote on 8/29/2002, 5:45 PM

I shall eagerly await further posts on this subject during the next few days. I will be somewhat busy putting together my new VV system which has for the most part arrived. Ever since my very first computer, a Heathkit H-89 equipped with a Zilog Z-80 running at 1 MHz, and loaded with 64k of RAM the arrival of new parts means great joy, I love this part!

John Beech

BillyBoy wrote on 8/29/2002, 8:36 PM

Those were the days. Never built a Heathkit computer, did do the 27 inch color TV.

BillyBoy wrote on 8/29/2002, 8:55 PM

I'm using a IWill XP333-R system board and have no problems, meaning no jittering during previews on external monitor.

It uses the ALi MAGiK 1ALi chipset, ALi M1647 (North Bridge)and AliM1535D+ (South Bridge). Currently using a AMD XP 1900+ CPU with no overclocking, 266 DDR memory. When I first put it together I went with the slower 200 memory just because I had some. Curiously, Windows was extremely unstable and blew the kernel constantly regardless what BIOS setting I tried. I couldn't get the faster 333 memory.

http://www.iwillusa.com/products/ProductDetail.asp?vID=25&CID=93

Johannes_H wrote on 8/30/2002, 3:56 AM

I think, its not a motherboard or chipset problem.
I have an ASUS P4B266-E board with Intel chipset and also the problem with the preview.
So, once more I really think the problem is within VV3 because
1. No other application within the same Windows installation has the problem (I tested Premiere 6.02, Premiere 6.5, Ulead MSPro 6.5)
2. Even within VV3 there is no problem when "Printing to Tape" instead of "Previewing".

Johannes

SonyEPM wrote on 8/30/2002, 8:41 AM

Johannes- what you describe sounds like a settings issue in Vegas.

I think you have captured PAL DV, yes?

Is your project set to PAL DV?

salad wrote on 8/30/2002, 9:04 AM

HeathKit!
I wish I would have taken on the computer kit. Those were the days indeed! I built the Audio EQ, Active Audio Processor, and the big bookshelf speakers. Still have everything, still use the speakers(with new woofer/midrange drivers but the tweeters and crossovers are still hanging in there...built in 1978). Feeling old now.

Using Epox 8KHA+/VIA chipsets...NO issues, but perhaps due to VIA coming out with new 4 in 1 drivers every.....month. Same for epox bios, each one better than the one before. AMD 1.4 GHz Athlon, and I'm trying to "break it"....by OC'ing. Love Beta testing.

Widetrack wrote on 8/30/2002, 12:55 PM

Daniel:

forgive me for maybe missing something obvious. What suggestions did the EPM give you?

WT

prairiedogpics wrote on 8/30/2002, 1:22 PM

WT,

Check out this this post (and the string that it's in):

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=117055&Page=0

Dan

DougHamm wrote on 8/30/2002, 3:17 PM

Johannes: That's an i845d chipset, right? If so then my idea is moot...

-Doug

wcoxe1 wrote on 11/10/2002, 6:09 PM

Well, time to revive this thread. All of a sudden I am experiencing it in a big way. Only ONE change: I quit using a Sony TRV20 for passthrough to RCA plugs on the Sony PVM 1353DM monitor, and am now using a DataVideo DAC2 and YUV component output to the Sony PVM 1353DM monitor. Quality of the image is supurb, but now I get white flashes, and/or black flashes. I can replay the same spot from the time line and the flash will be somewhere else. I have no problems with the rendered video, only the output from Firewire through the DAC 2 to the external monitor. Nothing else has changed in months. If I change back to the TRV20 and RCA cables, no flashes at all.

SonicEPM, SonicDennis, is this normal?

SonyEPM wrote on 11/11/2002, 8:33 AM

This is NOT normal. The fact that you can print to a camera just fine but run into problems with the D/A converter seems to point to a problem with the converter. Maybe the converter isn't defective- are there any dip switches or other controls that might be improperly set?

wcoxe1 wrote on 11/11/2002, 11:13 AM

The ONLY control that I am told to set is to press the ENCODE 12/16 Bit button to turned it on for Windows 2000 mode. There are no other switches, or mention of any, in the instructions.

tailgait wrote on 11/11/2002, 11:25 AM

Let me just add to this by saying i have a Sony Vaio P4 with 2.0Ghz and 512MB RAM and when I use the external monitor the picture is COMPRESSED. Only when something is rendered is it clear. This is impossible to do on a long project. I have had to tell my clients that that is just the way it is--compressed in preview but crystal clear in print-to-tape. I hope this problem can be cleared up. It doesn't present a good picture of VV3 and my company just became a VV3 dealer!
Burt Wilson (tailgait)

SonyEPM wrote on 11/11/2002, 2:05 PM

"that is just the way it is--compressed in preview but crystal clear in print-to-tape."

Set preview quality to "good" and right click on the preview window and select "display at project size". External DV preview quality over will now be 100% wysiwyg (you may have to prerender if you are getting less than full frame rate- system dependent).

wcoxe1 wrote on 11/15/2002, 9:50 PM

The DAC-2 converter has been sent back to see if it is at fault. They couldn't figure out what was wrong by eMail, so they called me and we talked it over for about 1 hour before they asked that I send it back for examination. I'll let you know if things work out for the better. Should take about 10 days from 15 November.