Dang, I think it is back to select and drag for me, especially if I have many clips...

How about it SonicEPM? Does this qualify as a bug for you as well?

Please provide a simple step-by-step description and then I can comment further.

Create event A
Add a fade at the end.
Create event B after A (not overlapping)
Drag event A to the right - and release the mouse.
Both events moved, the fade at the end of A is gone.

Probably - as you move the first event, it overlap the second event and a cross-fade is created on the fly. This deletes the fade and replace it with the crossfade. When you release the mouse, event B is moved and the cross fade is deleted - leaving a no-faded event A.

Second issue (maybe not a real bug):
Create events A, B, C in sequence, with a 1 second crossfade.
Delete event B
Event A and C have a 2 second crossfade

This is a result of moving C event by the duration of B event. What we expect is that event C will be moved by the duration of B LESS the diration of the crossfade between B and C. I hope it is clear.

Udi

Thanks for the info- agreed, this is annoying.

SonyEPM-
I don't want to be a total jerk, but does this qualify as a bug? Or is it just annoying?

Bottom line, does this go on the fix it now list? Or do we have to wait for SV5?

Sorry for being rude, but in my opinion, the lack of ripple or a reliable ripple has been a major detractor to this program for years. I advocated change on the old Sonic/Cow boards and do so now - on the new boards.

If work is lost by the simple act of moving clips, it is not annoying, it is wrong and should be a top priority to be fixed.

If left uncorrected, users should be told of the issue and of the best available workaround.

Blunt, but that is the way I feel.

Thank you.

I'll add my voice to that now that i know it's not just me being incompetant. I'd also add the inconsistant nature of the split function, well it's not inconsistant, it's consistantly wrong.

Simple example from memory, take clip and split into three. Delete first section with ripple on, does what you expect. Starting again, delete second part, video gets deleted but not audio and third section slips down hiding audio from section two, but if section 2 was longer than section 3 end of section 2 audio is now sticking out of the end. If section 2 was shorter and then I insert black between what is now section 1 and 2 there's suddenly the audio from section 3 to accompany it.

Fortunately I mostly edit silent movies, don't know how the rest of you put up with this.

It's not just that this is time wasting it's that if you don't realise and therefore check everything very carefully you can send out stuff with minor glitches in it which is not good for anyone.

In the delete case, the annoying part is that you MUST select both audio and video. Grouping does not work on delete.
So, when you select the second video clip, and delete - only the video is deleted and the audio remains, and ripple does it damage.
I whould like to have the delete effect the whole group when grouping is enabled.

Udi

Udi,
actually grouping does work, problem is when you split an event only the head stays grouped, not the tail. Tht's the root cause of the problem.

Just to give you a gauge of how annoying this is: I do a lot of slide shows with movement. I have 100’s of photos on the timeline (300-500) and I want a 1 second fade maintained between each event. Often, I want to delete photos from the slide show to tighten things up and end at a particular queue in the music and Ripple Edit is useless because if I delete a photo it makes the transition 2 seconds.

I would rate it slightly higher than annoying because I can’t think of a scenario where I would want the transition times added together. Sounds like undesirable behavior to me. (i.e., a bug) ;-) I realize the fix is not simple because the two transition times may be different. You would probably need a preference option to take the transition time of the incoming clip or outgoing clip. (heck, at that point you could add a third option to add them like it does now)

~jr

Yes, grouping does work, but not for delete.

After you split, 2 groups are created, one for the head and one for the tail. So far - perfect. Actually, you select any event in the group and split it - the whole group is splited - exactly as expected. If you move one event, change length etc. - the whole group change. Any change you made on the TL will effect the whole group - with one exception - delete.

Regardless of split, you select the video event - and delete it - the audio is NOT deleted. You must select both video and audio and then delete.
If you that with auto ripple, the audio event is overlaid with another audio event. And it can cover it completely - and you will never know about it - untill you get funny soundes, orthe audio will pop a few days later when you move or change the audio tracks.

Udi

bump

A simple workaround is to fade to another clip. I made a 2 second 7.5 IRE black and 100 IRE white dv clip from the media generator for just such use (plus I hate holes in my timeline). Renders (no render) faster than using the media generator for each project.

Craig H.