Roxio DVDitProHD

DJPadre wrote on 5/2/2007, 5:06 AM
ok, well i got sick of waiting, and sittin here with my sony dual layer BD burner, i thought id give roxio a go..

Im yet to dive right into buring a disc (to be honest, im paranoid about failing discs.. espectially at this price.. )
SO i look at the interface.. and lo and behold, it feel like DVDA... no offense to sony, but it seems roxio took a page out of sonys book, and for me, it was an almost instantaneous transition across... it works the same way as DVDA and "feels" the same with a VERY simialr layout window.. in essence just messing with itnd i feel at home..

Its a shame really, because i was lookin forward to a BD Authoring tool... i was hoping id find it in DVDA sooner rather than later, but now thats a write off, so i think i'll master this and maybe reconsider..

Im hoping Vegas64 is a major jump from what were using now, because i WOULD like to go the XDCamHD ex route, but as it stands, if 64 bit is only a pretty means to show evolution, then i wont bother, and i'll spend more money on what i have and make it work for the next 2 years..
I hope this isnt the begining of the end for me and Vegas, but on the outset, this seems to be the first step..

to be honest, i dont understand why sony are baulking their BD authoring considering its their own friggin product..
its an absolute farce

Comments

Coursedesign wrote on 5/2/2007, 7:42 AM
I don't see why it would be "the end for you and Vegas."

If you said "the end for you and DVDA," I would certainly understand, but this program doesn't edit video, does it?

Does this program create BD discs that play in today's home theater players?

Is there any reason to think that the discs you create won't play after the next BD standards update?

I resonate with your frustration, and I think I can guess how the lack of progress has come about internally.

Progress could happen in one of two ways:

1. Sony Creative sends an emissary to the BD group, asking them to send an engineer on loan to Madison for a month or two to quickly implement a beta of DVDA4.0c with BD support, with a note that this should allow them to up their current very modest BD burner sales forecast.

...or...

2. Sony Creative sends their top executive to Sir Howard's point man/woman and points out that Roxio is about to eat their lunch. Does Howie intend to let this happen again, like Apple killed Sony's Walkman business, etc.?

Point out that BD needs more soldiers on the front in the fight against HD-DVD, and those soldiers are more likely to succeed if they are not handcuffed, and definitely more likely to succeed if they're not stuffed in a sack and told to shut up.

"So, Sir Howard, which is it going to be?"

DJPadre wrote on 5/2/2007, 8:30 AM
heres something of note in regard to BD legal formats..
(when i say "not exist" i mean theyre not legal

1920x1080i or p are the only supported 1080 resolution (1440x1080 is non existant res)
So much for HDV..

1920x1080i is the only 1080 format thats legal for 50i

24p is the only legal progressive format for 720p or 1080p (25p doesnt exist for either of these)

1440x1080p or i does not exist in BD (ie 1440 doesnt exist)

25p in 1080 does not exist (only 24p)
25p in 720p does not exist (only 24p)

Now this is what shits me.. what this means to US is that until tehy update the formats, we MUST conform the files to 1920x1080 even though our HDV cams are recording at 1440x1080. In turn requiring scaling.. which defeats the purpose of most cameras now which record HDV in native res CCD's (like thw Canon XLH1 and Sony V1)

In addition, this additional resolution, not only takes extensive time to scale up to 1920, but it also takes a chunk of bandwidth storage with it.

Finaly, more than likely, all apps which support BD authoring will require to asses the files themselves and re-encode as requried.
In turn adding a pulldown service to the likes of 24p and 25p to adhere to the interlace transport protocol.

And finally, and ive mentioned this.. the footage will need to be scaled UP TO 1920 from 1440, as 1440 is not a legal resolution..
So those with native res HDV cams and those without.. it wont make JACK of a difference..

To my eye, BD authoring is still quite a fair ways off.. not until 1440 is accepted as a resolution and 25p is recognised as a real frame rate format.. it seems PAL has been forgotten in all this..
Either way, as HDV is using this res.. i really dont want to waaste any more time transcoding.,.. we spend so much time rendering as it is.. this just makes it worse..

With Roxio, it doesnt support Dual layerd discs... bugger.. it also doesnt support h.264, which to my eye is a superior format to MPG2

Like i said, theres still much to do and much to evolve with time..



tnw2933 wrote on 5/2/2007, 9:58 AM
DJ padre,

While Roxio's DVDit Pro HD does not officially suport dual layer 50 GB Blu-ray media, I had no problems burning a DVDit Pro HD project to a 50 GB dual layer Blu-ray BD-RE disk. The disk played perfectly on my Sony BDP-S1 Blu-ray player for the first 15 minutes and then began momentarily (for less than 1 second each time) freezing the video and audio every 3-9 seconds until the end of the 30 minute video. I took this 50 GB Blu-ray disk down to Best Buy and tried it in a Pansonic and Pioneer Blu-ray player that they had set up for demonstration. The 50 GB dual layer Blu-ray disk played perfectly in the Panasonic from beginning to end. The Pioneer Blu-ray player exhibited far longer freezes than did my Sony BDP-S1. My conclusion is that there was nothing wrong with the 50 GB disk authored in DVDit Pro HD, but that Sony has not correclty or fully implemented 50 GB BD-RE palyback on the BDP-S1 just as they have not implemented the palyback of BDAV projects recorded to Blu-ray by Neo Ultimate 7, Ulead's DVD Movie Factory, and other software.

Tom