Safe Area Confusion

JHendrix wrote on 1/5/2009, 11:21 PM
Ive got Safe Area Confusion!


isn't Safe Area ONLY for NTSC analog? meaning TVs that are "kind of on the way out"?


is it true that LCD Safe Area is a non issue?


most of my clients will view on a computer where I know its a non issue.....so why would I still obey Safe Areas?

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farss wrote on 1/5/2009, 11:26 PM
"so why would I still obey Safe Areas"

To be safe.

Bob.
John_Cline wrote on 1/6/2009, 1:15 AM
I suppose that if you said ALL your clients would view ONLY on a computer, then it would probably be OK to ignore safe areas. However, all televisions, including LCD and plasma, still overscan to some degree, so it's best to obey the safe areas.
Grazie wrote on 1/6/2009, 1:44 AM
Of course you never EVER get a mic or matt box edge or wire you didn't see at the extreme edge in the frame - do you? <wink>

Grazie
Jay Gladwell wrote on 1/6/2009, 5:06 AM

"so why would I still obey Safe Areas"

LOL -- Now that's funny. Thanks for the laugh, Bob.


JHendrix wrote on 1/6/2009, 2:12 PM
"all televisions, including LCD and plasma, still overscan to some degree"


1. to some degree? what degree? why don't we have precise guides ? every pixel counts


2. does that exclude computer monitors?
Jay Gladwell wrote on 1/6/2009, 2:48 PM

to some degree? what degree? why don't we have precise guides ? every pixel counts

It's really a moot point, JH, because no two are going to be exactly alike. That's why it's call the "safe area."


JHendrix wrote on 1/6/2009, 9:06 PM
thanks guys


guess i'll keep doing what i have been doing and put up text intro that warns


"this movie is mastered for viewing on a computer monitor. some text or graphics may be clipped on other monitors."
John_Cline wrote on 1/6/2009, 9:25 PM
"this movie is mastered for viewing on a computer monitor. some text or graphics may be clipped on other monitors."

You can do whatever you want but, if it we're me, I'd do it so that it would display acceptably on ALL monitors. Professionals have been using the safe areas since the beginning of television, I currently see no reason to stop now.
Jessariah67 wrote on 1/6/2009, 9:36 PM
I agree - when "other monitors" can be defined as "any TV in the entire world," I would vote for staying clear of the edges.

The variations of aspect ratios and types of hardware thay are displayed on makes me crazy, too...but having seen one title sequence where half the cards had bites out of them made me a quick believer - make sure it's safe...and practically nobody else is gonna notice or think you're being "less artistic." But if they can't see the first or last letter, or if the top or bottom is eaten into...you look like an amateur. Which is worse?
PeterWright wrote on 1/6/2009, 9:50 PM
> "guess i'll keep doing what i have been doing and put up text intro that warns
"this movie is mastered for viewing on a computer monitor. some text or graphics may be clipped on other monitors."

To me it's simple - there's nothing to be gained by placing text (or important action) near the edge of the frame, so keep it away.

- and if the the text intro above goes outside the safe area, it may not be legible to those who need it.
Jay Gladwell wrote on 1/7/2009, 4:06 AM

JH, you seem dead-set against safe areas. Would you mind explaining why?

Also, providing some examples of what you're doing might help us to understand where you're coming from.


lynn1102 wrote on 1/7/2009, 8:32 AM
JH, Look at any commercial on tv, any kind, and you will see that no text come close to the edge, ecxept maybe the tiny fine print on medical stuff that they don't want you to read.
Every title in a movie or any other show is nowhere near the edge of the screen. Even in a movie theater, they have a safe zone on the titles.
If you feel you absolutely have to hit the edges, in most cases you can adjust the size of the "safe zone". It take the same amount of typing no matter how you display it.

Lynn
Chienworks wrote on 1/7/2009, 8:57 AM
Although, in reality, changing the size of the safe zones does absolutely nothing other than change the editor's perception of what's happening. It has zero effect on the output.