SB and MyDVD Functionality Questions

GKettman wrote on 5/11/2004, 8:10 AM
The 'other product' I'm using has a truly excellent user interface but falls far short when creating the final product. I've bought that product and it appears I may still need some of it's features.

I'd love to completely move to SB MS but don't think I can at the moment. My needs are simple but the forums indicate they're not possible with the boxed version of this code (I can't test because you can't download MyDVD).

A typical project for me is about 2 hours. I capture from DV camera. I edit as needed. I much prefer simple transitions like a cross fade and/or a fade to-from black (I hope my terminology is right). I often add a rolling title to give a bit of information on time, date, event, etc.

In the past I'd then add DVD menus at this point but due to errors with the other product and the way this product is structured I guess the next step is to render, probably twice, one in DV and one in MPEG-2 (DVD) format.

My menus are also fairly simple. Usually I have a single menu up front with multiple pages. There will be one item for each chapter point. There will be up to say 30 chapter points. I prefer chapter points at a scene change and then a bitmap from later in the scene to identify it.

Now, my understanding is that MyDVD doesn't have enough functionality to allow these chapter points with bitmaps (and I can't test it since I can't download it). Is that true? If not, that leaves three main choices. 1) Import to 'my other' product and use it for the menus. 2) Step up to Vegas 5 with DVD Author (I've not bought this product yet and am using the 30 day trial). 3) Buy a 3rd party product such as DVD-lab ($99) to get the required menu capabilities.

My price point is actually at about the $100 dollar mark. This is a hobby, not a profession or for any use but my own enjoyment. I have children in college and can get student discounts. Still, SB MS with DVD-lab is about $150. Vegas 5 + DVD is about a hundred dollars more. Way beyond my price point but sometimes you have to bite the bullet. With that in mind I've one other feature I can't seem to identify for SB MS. V5 clearly states that they can adjust the bitrate so automatically size the DVD files to fit on a DVD. Actually it seems to me that this is probably a function of the DVD program. At any rate, I can do that today with my 'other product' but need to understand how this would work in the Sony environment.

BTW, as I write this, and collect my thoughts I've sort of convinced myself to go with SB MS for the capture. edit and render and then import into my other product to add menu's and create the VOB's. Sounds a bit kludgy but not when taken in the context of the non-integrated approach used by Sony. It also makes sense from the other products perspective. Although they have an integrated approach there are some serious bugs in their rendering routines. One standard work-around is to do a render to DV after the capture and edit. As such this is a very logical breaking point. I guess the issue now is whether I can output from SB MS, preferably in MPEG-2, not DV, and into the other product.

Sorry this was so long. I'm sort of thinking out loud and I'd love some feedback. I guess ideally, as stated elsewhere, Sony would integrate a reasonable DVD Menu product with SB MS.

Comments

ADinelt wrote on 5/11/2004, 9:33 AM
If by the 'other product' that you are talking about happens to start with a 'P' and ends in 'innacle', then been there, done that.

I ended up with Screenblast and although MyDVD is not the greatest, Screenblast more than makes up for it. With features like multiple audio and video tracks, chromake and it's STABILITY, I don't mind putting out a little bit extra for a product like DVD-Lab. My Sony burner also came with ULead Movie Factory 2.0 SE and Video Factory 7.0 SE, but I still prefer DVD-Lab. You can download a trial copy of it and see what you think.

As far as fitting a large movie to fit onto a single DVD, there is a free product called DVDShrink (at least I think that is what is called), that allows you to do just that. It also works for making backup copies of your store bought DVDs. Very cool and works really well.

Hope this helps...
Al
ronaldf wrote on 5/11/2004, 9:51 AM
One cheap solution is to upgrade your MyDVD to Version 5.2 ($39.99 upgrade, $49.99 new purchase) which allows chapter point insertion and editing. (http://www.sonic.com/products/mydvd/default.asp)
I edited in Vegas 3, rendered to mpeg2, and then used MyDVD to author the dvd. For what you are doing this may be the best solution. One of the limits on MyDVD that I wasn't to happy with was the inability to place menu buttions anywhere I wanted on the screen. You can use any frame in your chapter as a button image, or a short clip as a animated button.
MrSpeed wrote on 5/11/2004, 8:12 PM
I tried the mydvd 5.0 demo and thought it was terrible. It was way too template driven and had another major shortcoming which I can't remember at this time.

You may want to try Ulead moviefactory 3.
You can select a static image from any point in the chapter. If you're into motion menus it will only loop from the beginning of the chapter. It's very easy to use but has some powerful options if you want them. It has a built in AC3 encoder.

DVDlab looks awesome but it seems like to you need to call an external AC3 encoder and it will not take an avi as as input.

I don't believe either product/method will adjust the bitrate for a "best fit" dvd. You would probably need to use dvdshrink before the burn.
IanG wrote on 5/12/2004, 12:52 AM
>DVDlab looks awesome but it seems like to you need to call an external AC3 encoder and it will not take an avi as as input.

DVDLab will only accept DVD compliant a/v as input. MS' MPEG-2 is fine and TMPGEnc now have a $30 (ish) AC-3 encoder which will transcode the audio.

Ian G.
MrSpeed wrote on 5/12/2004, 6:23 AM
I suppose in the interest of saving space I would output MPEG-2 from screenblast.
So the total for DVDlab with an AC-3 encoder is $130, which is really making me tempted to go this route because there really is nothing close in this price class. It seems like the next price point is $400 or so.
IanG wrote on 5/12/2004, 9:50 AM
Do you really need ac-3 anyway? Most modern players aren't too concerned about the DVD standards.

Ian G.
MrSpeed wrote on 5/13/2004, 9:10 AM
AC3 takes less space, which becomes important when working with 1.5 - 2 hr movies.
I'll have to do some tests to see if it does make a difference.
IanG wrote on 5/14/2004, 10:01 AM
I thought ac-3 and mp2 were similar in size, given the same bitrate? I'll be interested to see the outcome.

Ian G.