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kentwolf wrote on 4/2/2005, 10:28 AM
I am not home and am going from memory, but as I remember...

>>...capturing using date stamp scene detection

It is where it asks how much time needs to elapse to constitute a new scene. I believe the default is 2 seconds. It's in the options section.

>>...and which file type to use for best use with Vegas 5.

Type 2.
Redd wrote on 4/2/2005, 10:37 AM
Thanks for the reply.
Scenalyzer defaults to 1 second...I guess that's fine. The Type 2 says for Premiere etc. So Vegas falls under the etc I assume.
Does is matter where I capture the files to? I prefer to capture to another HD used for video only. Will Vegas have a problem with that? I'm not sure if Vegas wants the captures to go to it's own default folder...which I'm having trouble finding via windows explorer. I'm not sure where Vegas's default capture folder is.

Edit***********Edit

In the past I've always used Optical scene detection...obviously not using Vegas. What had me confused is with optical detection I would get many scenes detected within one avi file. With the date stamp it's only one scene per one continuous avi file.
So if I'm shooting a soccer game I may shoot 30 to 40 minutes continuously, so there will only be one long scene it that file. Is there away around this to get more scenes or do I have to manually split each one?
kentwolf wrote on 4/2/2005, 12:14 PM
>>The Type 2 says for Premiere etc. So Vegas falls under the etc I assume.

That is correct.

>>Does is matter where I capture the files to?

No.

>>Will Vegas have a problem with that?

No.

>>With the date stamp it's only one scene per one continuous avi file.

Assuming you are capturing Mini DV, based on the lapse in timecode per shot, you should get several scenes per avi file. If you are capturing analog (8MM, VHS), there is no timecode, so you will have one big scene per avi file.

>>So if I'm shooting a soccer game I may shoot 30 to 40 minutes
>>continuously, so there will only be one long scene it that file. Is there
>>away around this to get more scenes or do I have to manually
>>spliteachone?

For one long shoot to go into multiple scenes, you can either try optical scene detection, which if accurate, would not split the file, or you will have to split manually. In the case of a long shoot, I loke to stop every once in awhile, just for this reason.

Redd wrote on 4/2/2005, 12:24 PM
Yes I am using Mini DV, so I'll either have to change my shooting habits, or use optical scene detection.

Thanks for your help.
jetdv wrote on 4/2/2005, 5:22 PM
Redd, is the clock set in your camera? That's required for normal scene detection.
Redd wrote on 4/2/2005, 6:27 PM
Yes. I set the clock after feeling dumb about not setting date and time in another post, so I set both camcorders yesterday. Luckily one of them recognizes daylight savings and will adjust it automatically. The shoot I did today was done with time and date set.
johnmeyer wrote on 4/2/2005, 9:15 PM
What version of Scenalyzer are you using? The latest version says, under "File Type:"

Type 2 DV-avi file (Premiere, Vegas, etc.)

Thus, it is quite explicit that you want to use Type 2.

If you are capturing from DV, then you certainly do NOT want to use Optical Scene detection, but instead use "Datestamp" scene detection. This will give you flawless scene detection at each point where you stopped, then re-started the camera. Of course, if you shoot your soccer match as one continuous take, then there will be no scenes detected, nor should there be.

If you are not getting scene detection with these settings, then something is definitely wrong with your setup, or you don't have Scenelzer's options set correctly.

Since the latest (beta) version of Scenalyzer lets you Copy/Paste the option settings, here are my current settings:

Sclive-Settings
Capture Settings
file-type Type2 DV-avi file (Premiere; Vegas etc.)
max. file size 4 GB
max. file length 0h 00m 00s
timelapse-capturing NO
auto-capture from live-camera NO
file-names name0001.ext
set 16:9 flag when capturing NO
scene detection mode Datestamp
min.time between 2 scenes 0h 00m 01s
start a new file if audio parameters or 16:9 flag changes YES
audio capture settings
capture audio YES
keep DV-Audio in-sync YES
audio-mode for all .avi files written Automatic (same as on Tape)
audio-channel to capture first channel
write other audio-channel to separate wav file NO
Folder Settings
alternate capture-folders (when main-disk is full)
alternate capture-disk-1 I:
alternate capture-disk-2
space to leave free on each disk (MBytes) 32
tape-index-folder d:\tape-indices
Stop Capturing
no-more video timeout 0h 00m 30s
when dropped-frames occure YES
when the backup-set is finished NO
when the datestamp changes more than 0h 00m 00s
Misc. Options
disable device control NO
relative size of frames in filmstrip-view 20
mute sound when scrubbing NO
group-select time-frame 0h 30m 00s
preview while capturing/playback YES
hi-res preview NO
disable preview-audio NO
Still Frame Export Settings
write-folder
file-names name'datestamp.ext
type compressed JPEG (*.jpg)
Compression Quality 70
crop image YES
Crop Pixels Left 8
Crop Pixels Right 8
Crop Pixels Top 6
Crop Pixels Bottom 6
Deinterlace Image YES
Correct Aspect Ratio (square pixels) YES
Image Size full width (720 pixels)
play "Click" sound YES
open exported picture in associated editor NO
Playback Settings
duration of black video to record before the video (seconds) 1.5
duration of black video to record after the video (seconds) 1.5
set 16:9 flag on playback NO
endless loop playback NO
playback with fake Datestamps for files without datestamps
Backup-Info Settings
playback: add backup-info YES
capture: use backup-info ignore info
jetdv wrote on 4/3/2005, 4:50 AM
John, out of curiousity why did you leave the max file size at 4Gig instead of changing it to "Unlimited (NTFS)"?
Redd wrote on 4/3/2005, 8:26 AM
I'm using ScLive 2.1
The only newer version I'm aware is the new beta 4.0
There we're a few differences between your set up and mine, thanks for the setup lesson. I did a short 30 minute shoot yesterday of Little League Opening Day Parade with Ceremonies, so it wasn't a continuous shoot. Scenalyzer did capture using the datestamp as it should. I did get a new scene for each time I stopped to stand-by and restarted.
Not only am I learning a new NLE, but also relearning to use something I’ve been using for a while now.

johnmeyer wrote on 4/3/2005, 9:02 AM
John, out of curiousity why did you leave the max file size at 4Gig instead of changing it to "Unlimited (NTFS)"?

Ed, I have all my external drives set up with FAT32 so I can use them on any computer. I have nine computers here at the house and quite a few still use Win98 and WinME. (Actually, I still have one that runs 24 hours a day logging calls from my PBX that runs DOS 5.x.) As you well know, except for the final render, you really don't need NTFS, and then only if you plan to do a DVD in one single MPEG file. All other editing and print-to-tape functions work just fine with multiple-chunk files. Don't get me wrong I have absolutely nothing against NTFS, and it is definitely more efficient at storing files, but universal compatibility trumped the marginal advantage that NTFS would have afforded.

jetdv wrote on 4/3/2005, 8:39 PM
Understood.