Scenalyzer & timecode

rport wrote on 2/14/2006, 7:12 PM
i batch capture footage using Scenalyzer & PPro. when i import DV footage into PPro the clips have the tape TC included.

i recently decide to use Vegas 6.0c with captured footage from Scenalyzer but all the clips brought into Vegas have no TC. all clips start at Zero. i know there's TC because PPro recognizes it.

Capture settings in Scenalyzer is "Type2 DV.avi [for Premiere; Vegas; etc.]

why does PPro recognize the TC and Vegas doesn't???

where does Vegas reference it's TC from?? clip metadata? hidden TC file? Conforming file? batch capture listing generated from the capture? and how do i get it to recognize my TC from Scenalyzer

thanks in advance for any help you guys can give me.

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RichR wrote on 2/14/2006, 7:59 PM
I can't give you any advise, all I can tell you is Scenalyzer and Vegas work fine together for me. Never had a problem with timecode.
rport wrote on 2/14/2006, 11:47 PM
then maybe i'm doing something wrong.

what's your workflow frome Scenalyzer captures to Vegas clip importing?
frazerb wrote on 2/15/2006, 6:37 AM
If you look at Edit Details in Vegas it should display the starting and ending timecode. You can set an Option so that the Vegas timeline gives the original timecode. However, when you render the clip out of Vegas, it will change the timecode to the current time, even if you made no change to clip.
Buddy
rport wrote on 2/15/2006, 6:26 PM
my edit details for all clips have a starting of 00:00:00:00 and the ending is dependent on the duration of the clip.

where exactly is the option to set the timeline for original TC??

the only one i found was the script command for show TC, but that only displays timeline TC and not clip TC.
kentwolf wrote on 2/15/2006, 8:58 PM
Vegas will not show the date/time shot timecode.

This has been often requested, but Vegas doesn't do it.

That is why I like SCLive so much...because the filename is the date/time shot, which can be extremely useful.

I think you are trying to do something Vegas doesn't do.

There is a program called DVDate that will do what you need.

See:

http://paul.glagla.free.fr/dvdate_en.htm
rport wrote on 2/16/2006, 6:45 PM
i'm not trying to get date/time info, which SCLive shows as the particular day it was shot and what time of the day it was shot.

i just want to activate some command in either SCLive or Vegas that will allow my Video clips to have the actual Tape TC:
Example:
Start: 00:22:34:05, End: 00:22:56:21

the only reference i have found is manually changing the TC for each clip in "Properties". the other option is recapturing the clips in Vegas. these are two options i dread since i have over 300 clips captured.

Vegas has got to be able to read Timecode that didn't originate from it's own Capture Application????

the reason the TC is so important is because the footage was shot on HDV and captured as DV [downconverted]. i'm planning to offline edit my show and then recapture only the footage i need in HDV. i'm trying to do it in Vegas because people say Vegas is a better HD editor than PPro.
GaryKleiner wrote on 2/16/2006, 8:48 PM
Are you saying that when you turn on the TC display for events (In Vegas: Prefs>Video> Show source frame numbers on events as>Timecode.) that they all start at 0:00:00:00 ?

Gary
rport wrote on 2/16/2006, 11:22 PM
yes, that option is activated in the preferences.

in the "edit details" tab under the "timecode in" column, all clips start at 0:00:00:00.

i've test captured a couple of clips using vegas capture app and those register the Tape TC in the "timecode in" column. but not the clips i capture in SCLive.

so what am i doing wrong????
filmy wrote on 2/17/2006, 4:44 AM
>>>Vegas has got to be able to read Timecode that didn't originate from it's own Capture Application????<<<

Not at all. Vegas reads TC info from a different place than other apps. Also Vegas seesm to only read TC info from DV files, not proxy files. (In other words if you take a low-rez "offline" file with TC and place it on a Premiere or PPro timeline it will read the TC info. Place the clip into SCLive and it will read TC. Place it in Vegas and it will NOT read TC) However SCLive is one of the few apps that "records" TC info to a location that is readable by Vegas during capture so why it is not reading I am not sure. However you did mention somehting that may be the issue - "the footage was shot on HDV and captured as DV [downconverted]". In other threads on HDV and TC people have reported TC issues with downconverts from HDV and I am not sure there has really been any sort of detailed work around. This could be the issue - I suggest doing a search for HDV and timecode and see if that helps at all.

EDIT - also Vegas is not an online editor so editing with low rez files (offline files) and than going to "online" doesn't work. The concept with proxy files in the past was to have the path and names the same as the offline files so when you were done editing all you had to do was swap out the folder/drive and render. In a thread about EDL's it came to light that Vegas just assumes a start TC of "00:00:00:00" on all media because it goes off first frame of the media, not the actual TC. Thusly the adive for exporting EDL's has always been to make sure all media and project files are in one folder. So this sort of adds up to the whole "Vegas is not an online NLE" comments and may also be part of the issue you are seeing.
rport wrote on 2/17/2006, 4:12 PM
filmy thanks for the explaination it clears up a couple of things.
that Vegas can't handle this type of workflow "SUCKS BIG TIME".

as for the files i'm using they aren't really low rez. they've been downconverted via the camera and captured directly from SCLive and GSpot recognizes them as DV Type2 w/ 48k Uncompressed PCM Audio.

i'll just go back to PPro for now and finish this project.

I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR HELPING ME. I APPRECIATED ALL YOUR COMMENTS AND SUGGESTIONS. AGAIN THANK YOU.