Secondary preview options to an HDTV via HDMI

Cliff Etzel wrote on 5/8/2010, 6:38 PM

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Cliff Etzel wrote on 5/10/2010, 8:25 AM

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Tabazoux wrote on 5/10/2010, 10:23 AM

Curiously, Sony Vegas Pro 9 works with Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro ($200). I use it with my HDTV. Options-Preferences-Preview Device: Device select "Blackmagic Design DeckLink. It works, I was surprised.

System:
Win Vista 64 Bit
8 gb
4 cores Intel

Intensity Pro doesn't work on X58 Intel, only Intensity Shuttle does.

Cliff Etzel wrote on 5/10/2010, 10:27 AM

What kind of performance are you getting from it? Is it still lackluster in performance or are you getting real time playback through it?

What resolution are you set at?

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Tabazoux wrote on 5/10/2010, 10:31 AM

Full HD 1080i, realtime playback. Only SVpro is installed on the system

Cliff Etzel wrote on 5/10/2010, 11:01 AM

How many tracks of video? Footage type (HDV, AVCHD, IntraFrame, CIneform AVI?) Type of processor, source drive setup? I've tweaked my system everyway I can find and still can't get full rez RT playback, and since Vegas isn't using any hardware other than the CPU, I'm left wondering what else I should try to get this to playback the way it should for others.

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Sebaz wrote on 5/10/2010, 12:45 PM

Curiously, Sony Vegas Pro 9 works with Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro ($200). I use it with my HDTV. Options-Preferences-Preview Device: Device select "Blackmagic Design DeckLink. It works, I was surprised.

One thing I would like to know about the Intensity Pro, besides the playback performance, is if you get real interlaced playback from it or if it looks like Vegas secondary monitor preview when the secondary monitor is the TV set, which looks like the two fields are showing at the same time, and not one after the other the way they should. Have you compared the two?

Cliff Etzel wrote on 5/12/2010, 5:57 PM

So I'm looking at making the jump to using a secondary monitor, but I really would like to hear from others who are utilizing the secondary monitor option in Vegas Pro and what their experiences have been.

Given a tight budget for a first time jump into a secondary preview monitor, I'm looking at the ViewSonic N1630w 16-Inch 720p HDTV - Full Specs from Viewsonic indicate this would meet my needs but I have no idea what I'm getting into with this.

I'm pretty clueless on this and I'm trying to understand the differences between using a monitor with HDMI for secondary preview and an actual HDTV. Could someone explain why one is preferred over the other? What's the difference between a 1080p and 720p monitor for this size monitor?

In addition, I've still not gotten a solid answer regarding whether a separate card from Blackmagic or Aja strictly used for secondary preview will work or if I should use the HDMI port on my nVidia GT-220 card for secondary preview with Vegas Pro 9.

I'd like to hear what others have to say on this. I know it may seem cheap, but I don't want to invest a ton of money right now until I have more paying work coming in.

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Sebaz wrote on 5/12/2010, 7:26 PM

Cliff, if I were you I would buy a good quality HDTV as a second monitor, if your main purpose for it is to preview the timeline and not use it to expand your desktop like some other people do in creative work. I mean, the people you will be giving your finished product to will most likely watch it in a standard HDTV, so your preview should be as close to that as possible. Of course, if you buy a HDMI card like the Intensity or similar, then you could still have a second PC monitor because you would go out to the TV set through the Intensity.

Still, I wish I knew if the Intensity sends a real interlaced signal to the TV set as opposed to the poor quality preview of Vegas when using the second monitor (I mean poor quality in terms of the interlacing, picture quality wise it's good). If you use the HDMI port in your graphics card you will definitely not get an accurate preview that matches the final product, unless you work with 23.98 fps footage, and I'm not sure it would be totally accurate in that case either, but probably would look closer to the original.

Cliff Etzel wrote on 5/12/2010, 10:22 PM

I'm not wanting this for expanding my desktop, I want it purely for preview only - hence why I'm confused as to how all this is suppose to work with Vegas.

I only want to utilize the HDTV for as accurate a preview monitor only as possible. That's all.

Can the Blackmagic Intensity card do that for me is all I want to know. There doesn't seem to be ANY information one way or the other on their site - let alone any confirmed yes or no's on the same question I asked on DVinfo

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Cliff Etzel wrote on 5/13/2010, 10:52 AM

The official response from Blackmagic on the Intensity card and Vegas Pro 9:

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"The Intensity Pro, like all of our capture playback devices are designed to work with NLEs like Premier Pro, or Final Cut to monitor your timeline in full resolution while it's playing.

However, we haven't done any testing with Sony Vegas 9... The last I had heard, Sony has tested and certified our Blackmagic Design, Decklink HD Extreme 3 card with their version 9.0c. You may want to contact Sony and inquire as to if they have expanded their testing to include the Intensity Pro card.

Hope this information was helpful.

Richard T. Chao
Support Engineer
Blackmagic Design Inc.
www.blackmagic-design.com
Main 408-954-0500 Option 2
Fax 408-954-0508
Email: support-usa@blackmagic-design.com
---end---

So much for that idea....

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Cliff Etzel wrote on 5/13/2010, 3:10 PM

To add to the confusion, I received this response from another Blackmagic rep:

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"Our hardware is designed to provide video output to a HDTV from your NLE software such as Sony Vegas 9. And its good you are not looking to extend your desktop, as that is what it is not designed to do."

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Anyone else confused by this???

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Sebaz wrote on 5/13/2010, 4:37 PM

Cliff, I think what the second guy says is not confusing, what I read from his reply is that the card works only with NLEs to output the video that is being played in it, but it doesn't work like a graphics card where you extend your desktop onto it, or clone it, depending on what you select in its control panel.

Have you contacted Sony to see if they have performed any testing with the Intensity Pro? Maybe they have.

kkolbo wrote on 5/13/2010, 4:52 PM

Anyone else confused by this???

He may be also be referencing that fact that Vegas can preview hd without such a card. When you have two displays or more in Windows, many graphics cards handle multiple monitors, Vegas can use the secondary monitor for previews. You can even load an information file for that particular monitor and Vegas will adjust the colors correctly.

I use this on a couple of my systems and it is great.

Cliff Etzel wrote on 5/13/2010, 5:02 PM

KKolbo - What's the procedure for adding one of these - just install into a PCIe slot, install the Intensity software and specify the secondary monitor in Vegas?

I'd like to be able to just add this to my desktop, and get to editing without any major issues.

Any insights would be appreciated on your experiences. Does this provide a real time accurate preview as it would look on an HDTV?

Thanks for your input - I was beginning to feel like I was talking to myself in this thread ;)

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kkolbo wrote on 5/13/2010, 5:36 PM

I can't advise you on installing a BMD card. I am not using one. Configuring it in Vegas is very simple. Just right click on the preview window and select preview device preferences.

I know that using my HP displays as secondary Windows monitors which have sRGB settings, I get very accurate and nice previews.

Cliff Etzel wrote on 5/14/2010, 10:03 AM

Just got off the line with SONY Tech Support Engineers - it appears they are finishing up their testing ot the PCIe version of the Intensity card and other than a couple more complex tests they're currently running, they haven't had any issues with the card so for the most part, the Blackmagic Intensity card (the PCIe version) is supported in Vegas Pro 9 - they will be making a formal announcement as soon as they get the rest of their testing completed.

Good news :)

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