September 8-12 in Amsterdam, in answer to the question many people may have ...

Just to let you know I haven't forgotten the contest .... too late to add anything ... contest is CLOSED!! .... gonna party soon ....

http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?MessageID=461386&Replies=11

so what's the winner get exactly? :D

... the prize ...? ... as stated: lots of cheers and clapping and a FREE Acid loop ... you're probably drooling as we speak ... I can hardly contain myself ... is this excitin' or what ...?

Blah. Unless next gen DVD authoring is in V7DVDA4, I could care less. If not, I think this will be the first time I really dont care about a Vegas release and thats saying alot since I am always ready for the next release right after a version is released. Please tell me that the new features in that blurb are only a small few and Sony is saving the really big ones for future announcements.

YEEEHAAAA -You know I thought I wasn't gonna' be too excited about Vegas 7 - but I gotta' admit this perked me right up:

"better editing solutions for HD, increased playback performance for both audio and video"

They have my attention now - can't wait to see what exactly "increased" means :)

".... Please tell me that the new features in that blurb are only a small few and Sony is saving the really big ones for future announcements ......"

OK, the new features in that blurb are only a small few and Sony is saving the really big ones for future announcements ... as we get closer to the release, your heart will beat faster as more is revealed ... you'll break out in a sweat and you'll have trouble sleeping at night when we're a few days away .... the night before, you'll simply fall apart from the tension ...

Is IBC going on right now?

edit: nevermind. Thought it was ongoing as they had podcasts available.

I sure hope part of the "enhanced editing solutions" is a (much)better titler and improved (re-written) credits capability.

Ill admit it....I NEVER use Vegas' titler. I always use After Effects for titling. Just seems cleaner and great quality output.

Since the first version I purchased was 6.0, can anyone tell me about how much I can expect to pay for the upgrade?

Well shoot.
For me, this announcement is completely un-enticing and only barely draws my interest. Yeah, I want Vegas to be faster, but with all the features and speed in other edit platforms, I was really hoping for a major leap-frog from Vegas this time.
As stated above, I hope this is a small announcement with MAJOR stuff to be announced in the future.

I dunno if I'd call the things mentioned minor.. When I am editing a complex HDV project and find the preview is like 2 or 3 fps, it's quite difficult. And render to RAM for previews is better but still limited. If previews were to get a LOT faster, that would indeed be quite a major jump. And as far as I know, no other system anywhere close to Vegas's price range has a fast preview for this kind of project either (i.e. not just preview of an "as is" HDV file, but actual rendering to be done).

Some additional smart rendering could fit under the category of the cited announcement, and while not a leap and bound above competitors' it would help a lot. Like if you could to cut edits on an m2t file straight out of a camera without rerendering the whole thing. And print it to tape.

And lots of other things could fit in the rather nondescriptive categories from this announcement.

Hopefully we don't have to pay big bucks some 6 months later for new authoring capabilities...

I can think of a few things in Amsterdam that'd do that to you but Vegas 7 sure isn't one of them, relatively speaking.

Bob.

Hard to judge from such a brief paragraph but so far I'm not seeing anything that'd stop me giving some big bucks to Adobe and CF.

Better XDCAM support, yawn, that should have been a point release. Anyway unless you're into ENG way better cameras out there for the money.

Bob.

Anyway unless you're into ENG way better cameras out there for the money.

Like what?

It's 1/2" certainly, but it's also true 24P, and the F350 shoots variable frame rate. Great images say those who have used them, and they function in any climate.

I had high hopes for the Grass Valley InfiniCam, but it doesn't have 24P and the prototype at NAB seemed a bit more primitive than I would have liked at that stage.

So what else is there for the money that even comes close to the XDCAM HD cameras?

I'm not seeing anything that'd stop me giving some big bucks to Adobe and CF.

What do you mean? What is CF (pardon my ignorance)?

It's looking very likely we'll put our money on the SI camera, way, way more advanced than anything Sony. Check out current production here:
http://indiefilmlive.blogspot.com/

Well under $15K, we already have the prime lenses ex 16mm cameras.

We already have spent over $30K on dollies, cranes etc just trying to decide what goes on all this expensive kit.

XDCAM is way too heavy and cumbersome to fly, this camera or possibly the RED if it ever eventuates is the way of the future.

Bob.

Cineform. In conjunction with PPro you get 10bit 2K DI processing in real time. Not cheap but way cheaper than anything else that'll do the same job.

Bob.

From Wikipedia:
"HDCAM SR, introduced in 2003, uses a higher particle density tape and is capable of recording in 4:4:4 RGB with a bitrate of 440 Mbit/s. The increased bitrate (over HDCAM) allows HDCAM SR to capture much more of the full bandwidth of the HDSDI signal (1920x1080). Some HDCAM SR VTRs (SR camcorders are not available) can also use a 2x mode with an even higher bitrate of 880 Mbit/s, allowing for a single 4:4:4 stream at a lower compression or two 4:2:2 video streams simultaniously. HDCAM SR uses the new MPEG-4 Studio Profile for compression, and expands the number of audio channels up to 12."

Hard to fathom the amount of disk space this would require to store an hour of this kind of video on a PC. Wonder if it works on a cluster server? Parallel processing by a semi-truck full of computers.

With the SI camera and the CF codec 4 hours onto a 160GB HDD, only needs USB 2 to keep up. Not quite 4:4:4 at 1080 one could argue, 4:2:2 would be closer to the mark but still not shabby, with better than 10bit depth, way better in some respects than HDCAM SR.

This technology is out there, working today, shooting serious productions.

How is this done, well think outside the square. In a video camera a large amount of interpolation is done prior to recording to tape, you're burning up bandwidth recording interpolated images. Record the RAW data from the camera head and do the interpolation in post. Way less bandwidth needed with a smart codec and the range of image manipulation possible in post is dramatically improved.

Vegas was the place one looked for thinking outside the box but not lately it seems or they would have been all over this rather than leaving it upto Adobe.

Bob.

I'm with farss. I can see myself moving to the Adobe suite + CF. It appears that Sony has decided to limit Vegas' ability to compete with FCP and PP. Too bad, it's a great app. I assume Sony sees it as a threat to it's "professional" line.

I hope I'm wrong...