My first question would be... what does it hurt being there?

However, this will work:

1. Click on the region marker (to move the cursor there)
2. Now click and drag the region marker away from the cursor
3. Right-click the now revealed marker and choose to delete it
4. Click and drag the region marker back to the cursor

But it really doesn't hurt anything being there.

[doesn't anybody else use VMS as a tool for-to having to run into these troublesome idiosyncrasies?! - or are we all just putting up with this....]

Maybe you're making it harder than it has to be. I do three camera edits and have never used the trimmer or created regions and have gotten along fine. I do create markers on the fly to know where to come back and perform extra editing.

I know that doesn't answer your problem, but splitting events in the timeline works well (for me at least.)

thanks Richard for that reply on 3/23, but it did not answer the question - so I reworded the question.

The reason I use Markers and Regions is because it is there.... (and extremely useful). Marker and Region tags stay until removed, the (one) selection area is not. (but thank you for telling me about I, O, and A - I am sure it will come in handy)

I have immersed myself in VMS, and gone through all the training videos - as impressive as VMS is it still has a lot of simple holes (maybe on purpose to have a PRO version ? - eg. what is with no Freeze Frame capability?)

Thanks again, Terry

thanks Jetdv,

for one it has no purpose being there once I create the region, the real practical reason is that even a blank/non-titled marker tag seems to hide the title of a region that is in the same spot.

You must be telling me with this silly workaround procedure that there is no way to directly select the other tag (when on top of eachother)

I had already figured this much out awhile back, the problem being that it relies on the cursor not getting moved/re-placed during all this. (something I have found difficult, irritating, etc. - I go to the trouble of marking perfectly the region, and it gets screwed up playing around with the tags and cursor...)

Thanks for your suggestion, Terry

Like others, I typically do not use the trimmer. I just pop the video on the timeline, cut out the pieces I don't want, and go from there.

Here's what I would consider. If you have a marker on the timeline and you then create a selection area that ends on that marker, right-click the marker and delete it BEFORE pressing "R" to create the region. Also remember that "backspace" will cycle through the last 5 selection areas you have created.

When I first started using VMS I started doing all the editing in the timeline, and was finding it tedious/difficult to do certain things. Then I realized I must be doing things backwards in usage/discovery of the Trimmer. So now I put the bulk video in the trimmer and extract it to the timeline, which is what Trimmer seems to be really intended for. (things are a heck of a lot easier...)

I am only asking the difficult questions, I think (the easy ones are found in the docs/help, or obvious). So when I ask one of these hard questions and just get workarounds it is a bit disheartening to think Sony worked so hard to come up VMS yet leave out simple/productive things because the average customer can put up with it....

Somebody asked why this Marker/Region tag procedure: because you can Mark on the fly during play, but I obviously need (and want a finely tuned) a region to transfer/extract to the timeline. A cool thing in VMS is that if you title the region tag it gets transfered into the timeline as the Take title and displays in the video event on the timeline - all events nicely labeled and identified - this kind of stuff I really applaud Sony for.

Jetdv, tried the delete marker before insert region procedure - same loose your place anxiety.... I did not know about Backspace though - cool - Thanks.

Although many only use the Timeline for editing I am one (also of many) who uses the Trimmer. It's a matter of personal preference rather than there being any one "right" way.

My approach is to capture several selections of scenes separately (Batch Capture in Pro - I forget if MS has this option). Each such selection might of those scenes relating to one area or aspect of interest if making a travelogue or documentary and it is very rare for any capture length to exceed10 minutes or so. Each such captured selection is of an easiy manageable length and the selection I want to work with can then opened in in the Trimmer by double clicking on the relevant selection in the Project Media window.

I can then review and preview this as normal using the Play etc., buttons, the Paragraph or Spacebar buttons, the J,K or L keys, and the left and right arrows (fine tuning frame by frame occurs if you are Stopped by pressing Alt with these arrows). When I have identified the start and end points of the selection I want to use I press the I and O keys and then A to add this particular selection from within the Trimmer to the Timelin (where it becomes an Event). Any Transition, Pan and Crop or FX can then be appied to that Event in the usual way.

This method helps me to use both Capture and the Trimmer as an easy Edit Decision List. With only a few minutes to work with there is no need to work on the fly as fine tuning is so straightforward and it is easy to decide and remember in what order and in what lengths you want any selections to be made before they go to the Timeline.

Hope this helps.

Richard