Setting NEXT BUTTON behavior

pneves wrote on 9/16/2019, 9:41 AM

I'm working on a DVD that's laid out to allow the user to play each piece individually and return to menu, or to play them all in a playlist.

Problem 1: Playing each piece individually.
When I press the remote's next button during playback of the media, I'd like the DVD player to return to the menu.
Instead I see the blocked/invalid icon in the Architect preview player, and most DVD players I try.

Problem 2: Playlist.
When I press the remote's next button during the same media in a playlist, I'd like the DVD player to move to the next item in the playlist. Instead it goes back to the beginning of the media.

On each media item I've made sure Media Properties > Remote Buttons > Next is set to On. I've tried setting Title Play to both On and Off. The End Action for the media is Most Recent Menu:Start. I've also used Order Titles to set title order on the disc to match playlist order.



I come from the Encore world. Am I just setting up my project wrong for what I want to do? How do I get the Next Button to work?

Thanks!

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Dot wrote on 9/16/2019, 9:54 AM

Did this work in Encore?

pneves wrote on 9/16/2019, 10:11 AM

Yes, it did.

Dot wrote on 9/16/2019, 12:51 PM

I have both so let me try to see if I can figure out a workaround. Obviously the workaround right now is to stay with Encore. But if that is not possible, there is probably a way with scripting (which Encore doesn't support but DVDA does) that we can make it work the way you want.

Dot wrote on 9/16/2019, 12:55 PM

But first thing I would do is change the end action to something other than MOST RECENT MENU. Set it to the specific action you want when this media ends normally.

pneves wrote on 9/16/2019, 1:16 PM

Will do. Thanks!

Dot wrote on 9/16/2019, 8:20 PM

@pneves

Okay, I did some testing. The playlists in DVDA is different than Encore, which you already knew. DVDA treats it as one whole video so the next will go to the end action, whereas Encore treats each video as if it is a chapter. No way to make the DVDA playlists act like Encore. But do you need a playlist? Why not just make the End Actions point to the next video and then NEXT should work the way you want?
As far as NEXT on a current media. I think DVDA is doing it correctly and Encore is programmed to interpret as a next to the end action, which in your case is the MENU you just left. I don't think there is anyway to override this in DVDA. But why not just use the MENU button on the remote rather than NEXT?

pneves wrote on 9/17/2019, 4:01 PM

Thanks for taking the time to look at this and help me, @Dot.

The manual indicates playlists should act like Encore and treat each video as a chapter, as long as you set the order:

Making the Next button follow playlist order

When using playlists, you may find that the Previous and Next buttons on the DVD or Blu-ray Disc remotes don't navigate to the previous/next title in the playlist.

You can correct the navigation by using the Order Titles dialog.

Double-click a playlist in the Project Overview window.

The contents of the playlist are displayed in the Playlists window.

From the File menu, choose Order Titles.

Use the Order Titles dialog to set the title order on the disc to match the playlist order.

Click the OK button to close the Order Titles dialog.

But this doesn't seem to work in the preview player no matter how the titles are ordered or the end actions are set. (I haven't burned a new copy yet.)

To chain titles without using playlists, I'd need to have a second copy of each video so I could have an end action different than "Menu", right? Since I need to have videos return to the menu ordinarily. And wouldn't that increase disk usage?

I've tried placing a chapter marker at the end of the title to give NEXT something to jump to, but if it's too close to the actual end of the title (closer than 1 second) it doesn't work.

As to why we want to not use MENU: We think we may have trained our user base for these DVDs to use Next instead of Menu where available and we want to make life easy for them. It may not be the end of the world if we can't.

 

Dot wrote on 9/17/2019, 4:20 PM

 

When using playlists, you may find that the Previous and Next buttons on the econd copy of each video so I could have an end action different than "Menu", right? Since I need to have videos return to the menu ordinarily. And wouldn't that increase disk usage?

 

No, you can import the same title multiple times and DVDA will reference the master video only, it will not take up any more disk space. I do this all of the time.

This is a video I did where you can play only individual chapters. It is not what you are asking, but it shows how you can import the same video multiple times.

pneves wrote on 9/17/2019, 4:26 PM

That's helpful to know, thanks.

pneves wrote on 9/30/2019, 2:52 PM

... But do you need a playlist? Why not just make the End Actions point to the next video and then NEXT should work the way you want?

It turns out this doesn't work, for the reason you said next:

As far as NEXT on a current media. I think DVDA is doing it correctly and Encore is programmed to interpret as a next to the end action, which in your case is the MENU you just left. I don't think there is anyway to override this in DVDA. But why not just use the MENU button on the remote rather than NEXT?

My takeaway is that there's no way for a user to use NEXT to navigate through playlists if I use Vegas.