Yeah, I just read that in the paper. DAMN! If the Sonic Foundry team
created such a software for the sole purpose of exchanging Vegas
mixes, I don't think they would face the same fate as Napster since
we wouldn't be trading files that would cause the music industry to
cry about money loss.


Victor Harriman wrote:
>>Jim:
>>All that seems "fine and dandy", except for the fact thar our
friend
>>Napster seems afflicted by a terminal desease...
>>
>>
>>
>>Victor.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Jim wrote:
>>>>I have an idea for sharing our Vegas mixes:
>>>>Use an MP3 search proggie like Napster, or one specifically
>>>>created by Sonic Foundry, to find our fellow Vegas users'
>>>>shared mixes. If using Napster, just be sure to begin the
>>>>file name with 'vegas' so that all the vegas files can be
>>>>searched.
>>>>

Jim:
There are alternatives, like Gnutella and I-mesh. But I have a
question: What would the purpose be of sharing Vegas mixes? I doubt
any serious mixing is done ENTIRELY within Vegas. At least not for
commercial musical recordings. Maybe radio spots, sound tracks for
games, etc. It is not possible to mix 24 tracks of 16bit/44.1k with
FX's and dinamics and automation entirely within Vegas and obtain
acceptable results. All sort of issues of latency, processor
overhead, etc. creep up. For example, a DirectX compressor plugin will
normally exhibit longer latency than an EQ DirectX plugin, and pretty
soon you get into "phase and stereo imaging territory" where things
just go downhill...
Now, in all fairness, this is not a problem exclusive to Vegas. ALL
recording software has it, and that's the reason most people use a
combination of soft/hardware in order to get the best of each world.
That being the case, it would be very difficult to determine what has
and what has not been achieved thru Vegas' features. And
(finally!!!) if not this, then what would the purpose be?


Victor.




Jim wrote:
>>Yeah, I just read that in the paper. DAMN! If the Sonic Foundry team
>>created such a software for the sole purpose of exchanging Vegas
>>mixes, I don't think they would face the same fate as Napster since
>>we wouldn't be trading files that would cause the music industry to
>>cry about money loss.
>>
>>
>>Victor Harriman wrote:
>>>>Jim:
>>>>All that seems "fine and dandy", except for the fact thar our
>>friend
>>>>Napster seems afflicted by a terminal disease...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Victor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jim wrote:
>>>>>>I have an idea for sharing our Vegas mixes:
>>>>>>Use an MP3 search proggie like Napster, or one specifically
>>>>>>created by Sonic Foundry, to find our fellow Vegas users'
>>>>>>shared mixes. If using Napster, just be sure to begin the
>>>>>>file name with 'vegas' so that all the vegas files can be
>>>>>>searched.
>>>>>>

Victor Harriman wrote:
>>Jim:
>>There are alternatives, like Gnutella and I-mesh.
-Yeah, that's true. I hope they stick around for awhile.

But I have a
>>question: What would the purpose be of sharing Vegas mixes? I doubt
>>any serious mixing is done ENTIRELY within Vegas. At least not for
>>commercial musical recordings. Maybe radio spots, sound tracks for
>>games, etc.
-My purpose would to have others listen to my mixes as well as myself
listening to others' mixes for ideas and techniques (utilizing Vegas)
that may not be apparent to us. Let's face it, many of us are
discovering lots of neat little tricks that Vegas will do (or it's
shortcommings), so someone out there may have already found that
little 'trick' in Vegas that would fit the bill for a specific mix.
Also, I'd be open for suggestions from others on ways to improve MY
mixes either with or without Vegas. The basic idea is to provide a
way for the people with something in common (Vegas) to proudly share
their work for the purposes I described earlier. Remember that there
are MANY Vegas users that are not making a career of recording, but
have tons of fun doing it as a hobby.

It is not possible to mix 24 tracks of 16bit/44.1k with
>>FX's and dinamics and automation entirely within Vegas and obtain
>>acceptable results.
- It's completely possible. I've done it. Granted that your idea of
acceptable is different than mine and other people.

All sort of issues of latency, processor
>>overhead, etc. creep up. For example, a DirectX compressor plugin
will
>>normally exhibit longer latency than an EQ DirectX plugin, and
pretty
>>soon you get into "phase and stereo imaging territory" where things
>>just go downhill...
>>Now, in all fairness, this is not a problem exclusive to Vegas. ALL
>>recording software has it, and that's the reason most people use a
>>combination of soft/hardware in order to get the best of each
world.
>>That being the case, it would be very difficult to determine what
has
>>and what has not been achieved thru Vegas' features.
- I've read all the latency issues...old news. I personnaly use both
soft/hardware to get the best of both worlds. I think that you may
have misinterpreted my reasons for bringin up this idea. I'm not
saying that EVERYTHING has to be done in Vegas to post up a
mix...just that Vegas was used as the software to capture and/or edit
and/or mix and/or...you get the picture. If someone like what they
hear, then they can ask the person how they got it to sound that way
whether is was done completely in Vegas or a combo of software and
outboard gear.
And
>>(finally!!!) if not this, then what would the purpose be?
>>
>>
>>Victor.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Jim wrote:
>>>>Yeah, I just read that in the paper. DAMN! If the Sonic Foundry
team
>>>>created such a software for the sole purpose of exchanging Vegas
>>>>mixes, I don't think they would face the same fate as Napster
since
>>>>we wouldn't be trading files that would cause the music industry
to
>>>>cry about money loss.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Victor Harriman wrote:
>>>>>>Jim:
>>>>>>All that seems "fine and dandy", except for the fact thar our
>>>>friend
>>>>>>Napster seems afflicted by a terminal disease...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Victor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Jim wrote:
>>>>>>>>I have an idea for sharing our Vegas mixes:
>>>>>>>>Use an MP3 search proggie like Napster, or one specifically
>>>>>>>>created by Sonic Foundry, to find our fellow Vegas users'
>>>>>>>>shared mixes. If using Napster, just be sure to begin the
>>>>>>>>file name with 'vegas' so that all the vegas files can be
>>>>>>>>searched.
>>>>>>>>

I think it is a good idea as well.Alot of forums are starting
this.The easiest way would be stereo files/mp3's.At least you keep
the quality.Iqsoft has a page for studio's and artists where they can
have mp3s as well as info of studio gear,etc.
These are all interesting I think to all of us.Acid planet is neat
idea,but I agree with you as well.We have 3 bands recording in Vegas
as I speak.35 tracks on one alone with some very nice guitar work.I
will give you guys our url when our site is up;still waiting on some
mp3s!!Dammit!!!hahahaha.
Let the music do the talkin!!!!!
Plus helping others is a great thing as well.We are all learning !!!!
:-)

Jim wrote:
>>
>>
>>Victor Harriman wrote:
>>>>Jim:
>>>>There are alternatives, like Gnutella and I-mesh.
>>-Yeah, that's true. I hope they stick around for awhile.
>>
>> But I have a
>>>>question: What would the purpose be of sharing Vegas mixes? I
doubt
>>>>any serious mixing is done ENTIRELY within Vegas. At least not
for
>>>>commercial musical recordings. Maybe radio spots, sound tracks
for
>>>>games, etc.
>>-My purpose would to have others listen to my mixes as well as
myself
>>listening to others' mixes for ideas and techniques (utilizing
Vegas)
>>that may not be apparent to us. Let's face it, many of us are
>>discovering lots of neat little tricks that Vegas will do (or it's
>>shortcommings), so someone out there may have already found that
>>little 'trick' in Vegas that would fit the bill for a specific mix.
>>Also, I'd be open for suggestions from others on ways to improve MY
>>mixes either with or without Vegas. The basic idea is to provide a
>>way for the people with something in common (Vegas) to proudly
share
>>their work for the purposes I described earlier. Remember that
there
>>are MANY Vegas users that are not making a career of recording, but
>>have tons of fun doing it as a hobby.
>>
>> It is not possible to mix 24 tracks of 16bit/44.1k with
>>>>FX's and dinamics and automation entirely within Vegas and obtain
>>>>acceptable results.
>>- It's completely possible. I've done it. Granted that your idea of
>>acceptable is different than mine and other people.
>>
>>All sort of issues of latency, processor
>>>>overhead, etc. creep up. For example, a DirectX compressor plugin
>>will
>>>>normally exhibit longer latency than an EQ DirectX plugin, and
>>pretty
>>>>soon you get into "phase and stereo imaging territory" where
things
>>>>just go downhill...
>>>>Now, in all fairness, this is not a problem exclusive to Vegas.
ALL
>>>>recording software has it, and that's the reason most people use
a
>>>>combination of soft/hardware in order to get the best of each
>>world.
>>>>That being the case, it would be very difficult to determine what
>>has
>>>>and what has not been achieved thru Vegas' features.
>>- I've read all the latency issues...old news. I personnaly use
both
>>soft/hardware to get the best of both worlds. I think that you may
>>have misinterpreted my reasons for bringin up this idea. I'm not
>>saying that EVERYTHING has to be done in Vegas to post up a
>>mix...just that Vegas was used as the software to capture and/or
edit
>>and/or mix and/or...you get the picture. If someone like what they
>>hear, then they can ask the person how they got it to sound that
way
>>whether is was done completely in Vegas or a combo of software and
>>outboard gear.
>> And
>>>>(finally!!!) if not this, then what would the purpose be?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Victor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jim wrote:
>>>>>>Yeah, I just read that in the paper. DAMN! If the Sonic Foundry
>>team
>>>>>>created such a software for the sole purpose of exchanging
Vegas
>>>>>>mixes, I don't think they would face the same fate as Napster
>>since
>>>>>>we wouldn't be trading files that would cause the music
industry
>>to
>>>>>>cry about money loss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Victor Harriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>Jim:
>>>>>>>>All that seems "fine and dandy", except for the fact thar our
>>>>>>friend
>>>>>>>>Napster seems afflicted by a terminal disease...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Victor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>I have an idea for sharing our Vegas mixes:
>>>>>>>>>>Use an MP3 search proggie like Napster, or one specifically
>>>>>>>>>>created by Sonic Foundry, to find our fellow Vegas users'
>>>>>>>>>>shared mixes. If using Napster, just be sure to begin the
>>>>>>>>>>file name with 'vegas' so that all the vegas files can be
>>>>>>>>>>searched.
>>>>>>>>>>

Jim:

I think your idea is ok, even though I still don't see the "practical
side" to it. That was the point of my post. If sharing tips and tricks
is the reason, then the whole process of uploading, downloading,
listening and judging is very INEFFICIENT, to say the least. You could
just write about it, and knowledgeable people will understand what you
are talking about.
I also agree with you: what may be good enough for you may not be good
enough for others.
Bottom line: you don't need anyone in order to achieve your aim; just
open an account at filesanywhere.com or freedrive.com, etc., and post
username and password for all interested parties to upload their
songs.

Good luck.


Victor.





Jim wrote:
>>
>>
>>Victor Harriman wrote:
>>>>Jim:
>>>>There are alternatives, like Gnutella and I-mesh.
>>-Yeah, that's true. I hope they stick around for awhile.
>>
>> But I have a
>>>>question: What would the purpose be of sharing Vegas mixes? I
doubt
>>>>any serious mixing is done ENTIRELY within Vegas. At least not for
>>>>commercial musical recordings. Maybe radio spots, sound tracks for
>>>>games, etc.
>>-My purpose would to have others listen to my mixes as well as
myself
>>listening to others' mixes for ideas and techniques (utilizing
Vegas)
>>that may not be apparent to us. Let's face it, many of us are
>>discovering lots of neat little tricks that Vegas will do (or it's
>>shortcommings), so someone out there may have already found that
>>little 'trick' in Vegas that would fit the bill for a specific mix.
>>Also, I'd be open for suggestions from others on ways to improve MY
>>mixes either with or without Vegas. The basic idea is to provide a
>>way for the people with something in common (Vegas) to proudly share
>>their work for the purposes I described earlier. Remember that there
>>are MANY Vegas users that are not making a career of recording, but
>>have tons of fun doing it as a hobby.
>>
>> It is not possible to mix 24 tracks of 16bit/44.1k with
>>>>FX's and dinamics and automation entirely within Vegas and obtain
>>>>acceptable results.
>>- It's completely possible. I've done it. Granted that your idea of
>>acceptable is different than mine and other people.
>>
>>All sort of issues of latency, processor
>>>>overhead, etc. creep up. For example, a DirectX compressor plugin
>>will
>>>>normally exhibit longer latency than an EQ DirectX plugin, and
>>pretty
>>>>soon you get into "phase and stereo imaging territory" where
things
>>>>just go downhill...
>>>>Now, in all fairness, this is not a problem exclusive to Vegas.
ALL
>>>>recording software has it, and that's the reason most people use a
>>>>combination of soft/hardware in order to get the best of each
>>world.
>>>>That being the case, it would be very difficult to determine what
>>has
>>>>and what has not been achieved thru Vegas' features.
>>- I've read all the latency issues...old news. I personnaly use both
>>soft/hardware to get the best of both worlds. I think that you may
>>have misinterpreted my reasons for bringin up this idea. I'm not
>>saying that EVERYTHING has to be done in Vegas to post up a
>>mix...just that Vegas was used as the software to capture and/or
edit
>>and/or mix and/or...you get the picture. If someone like what they
>>hear, then they can ask the person how they got it to sound that way
>>whether is was done completely in Vegas or a combo of software and
>>outboard gear.
>> And
>>>>(finally!!!) if not this, then what would the purpose be?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Victor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jim wrote:
>>>>>>Yeah, I just read that in the paper. DAMN! If the Sonic Foundry
>>team
>>>>>>created such a software for the sole purpose of exchanging Vegas
>>>>>>mixes, I don't think they would face the same fate as Napster
>>since
>>>>>>we wouldn't be trading files that would cause the music industry
>>to
>>>>>>cry about money loss.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Victor Harriman wrote:
>>>>>>>>Jim:
>>>>>>>>All that seems "fine and dandy", except for the fact thar our
>>>>>>friend
>>>>>>>>Napster seems afflicted by a terminal disease...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Victor.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Jim wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>I have an idea for sharing our Vegas mixes:
>>>>>>>>>>Use an MP3 search proggie like Napster, or one specifically
>>>>>>>>>>created by Sonic Foundry, to find our fellow Vegas users'
>>>>>>>>>>shared mixes. If using Napster, just be sure to begin the
>>>>>>>>>>file name with 'vegas' so that all the vegas files can be
>>>>>>>>>>searched.
>>>>>>>>>>