Should the Fx Busses have Sends ? Of course !!

airon wrote on 12/4/2001, 6:04 PM

Hi there
My suggestion is already in the subject line. It stems from the following observation : After being able to send some signal from my 'Delay' effect to the reverb, because every $200+ manual console has AUX knobs in every channel, I wonder what's taking so long on this side of music production, namely almost every piece of mixing software out there.

Here's the deal. Only Protools has 'Sends' in their buss channels as well. Protools Free, LE and TDM has them. On the PC(or Mac), unless you have Digidesign TDM hardware, you're lost.

I asked the Emagic demo crew about Sends in the buss channels in their upcoming 5.0 of Logic(fine software I might add). It's planned for a coming release. It sounded like a 'maybe', but at least I'm getting some sort of answer there.

If Vegas is targeted at a semi peofessional market, then why doesn't it have a basic feature like this ?

Ok, if anyone can point the way to software besides Protools, that has this feature, please email me at airon@gmx.net . I'd be very happy to hear of this.

Oh and while you're at it. Why not add VST Fx plugin support as well. Every freeware tracker/mixer/sequencer has basic support for it. And let's face it, without automatable FX Vegas does look a little 'old' in that department. The interface is great and it's only reason I'll use Vegas for anything. Not the feature set, yet.

Tony

Comments

Rednroll wrote on 12/4/2001, 11:06 PM

I'm not quite sure I'm understanding your question, but you can chain FX's together within the FX's buss and usually each FX has it's own input volume adjust, which would be the same as having a send feeding another FX. Also if you have multiple outputs on your sound card you can route an FX's buss to a buss and insert an FX in that buss and then even route that buss to the master fader in VV3. Is this the type of routing you're asking for or am I misunderstanding your question?

Rockitglider wrote on 12/5/2001, 12:43 AM

Also every track already has aux sends pre & post volume

See ya, Rockit

pwppch wrote on 12/5/2001, 9:55 AM

An FX bus in Vegas is a Send-return pair.

You can route a track to any FX bus which is the equivalent of sending a channel strip to an Aux send on a console.

The FX or chain then "returns" the signal to an assignable main bus. The "Return" on a console.

Both the input to the FX Bus and its output have gain controls - just like a console's Master Aux out gain and a consoles master input return gain.

So, where do you want to "send" the return signal to from an FX bus?

Peter

PipelineAudio wrote on 12/5/2001, 12:47 PM

Ive wanted this sometimes too. Sometimes to send the output of an fx buss to also a reverb, so we dont have more plugins going than we need..
Also for getting some dry of a series effect to a parallel fx.

This feature would REALLY be good if there were an envelope track for the buss. Like the ability to pan and volume control the fx buss AFTER the audio has gone thru it. Also an fx send envelope from the buss. I know Ive needed this many times, but instead had to render the fx buss to a track and then do whatever anvelopes I wanted to the track.

pwppch wrote on 12/5/2001, 11:29 PM

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Ive wanted this sometimes too. Sometimes to send the output of an fx buss to also a reverb, so we dont have more plugins going than we need..
Also for getting some dry of a series effect to a parallel fx.
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ThomasATL wrote on 12/6/2001, 12:50 AM

"but instead had to render the fx buss to a track and then do whatever anvelopes I wanted to the track."

How do you do this?

PipelineAudio wrote on 12/6/2001, 2:14 AM

1:Set the fx buss the way you want
2:solo the fx buss in question
3: choose tools->render to new track( or whatever its called) set it to the desired stereo or mono, bitrate, samplerate etc...
4: render it
5: delete the fx buss
6: mess with it as any other audio track( cuz now it is)

ThomasATL wrote on 12/6/2001, 10:23 PM

Thank you sir. I'd much rather print efx.

PipelineAudio wrote on 12/7/2001, 2:53 AM

errr....
that IS printing fx