Shouldn't Everything Start 60 'P'?

matt24671b wrote on 3/6/2009, 7:07 AM
Folks,

There are relatively inexpensive camcorders starting to become available (from Samsung, Casio, others) that will shoot 1080 60P. I'm thinking that's the way to go - shoot and edit 60p, and then deliver interlaced when necessary.

Wouldn't doing things this way result in the best quality, skipping interlace shooting entirely?

Comments

blink3times wrote on 3/6/2009, 8:51 AM
People seem to think that things like 60p or full 1920x1080 resolution will automatically increase quality. This is NOT the case.

People for example that have seen the 60p samples from Sanyo have not been that impressed.

If i compare the picture quality of my HV20 (1440x1080) with my SR11 (1920x1080)... I'm REAL hard pressed to see the better quality in the 1920 samples.
VanLazarus wrote on 3/6/2009, 10:39 AM
I think progressive 60fps will soon be better in every way. Of course, the camera one uses to record at 60fps has a big impact on image quality. As more and more models shoot in progressive 60fps, you will see better and better quality available. Why wouldn't one want 60p if the image quality could be the same? Especially when lots of motion is involved?? Slowmotion? Interlacing is poor for so many reasons!

Once the newer Red models are released and you can shoot in 2k, 3k, and higher in progressive 60fps, I think people will mostly record at these higher framerates (or higher when available).
kkolbo wrote on 3/6/2009, 11:35 AM
Don't forget that to look good, 60P takes a higher bitrate. If they are using the same bitrate, still things will look good but motion will start to be disappointing.
VanLazarus wrote on 3/24/2009, 1:07 PM
I just bought a Sanyo VPC-HD2000.

The video shot at 1920x1080 60fps PROGRESSIVE is amazing! So sharp and smooth!

Death to interlacing!!! Long live progressive!!!
fldave wrote on 3/24/2009, 1:37 PM
How does it compare with a cam with larger glass, say an FX1? Do you have anything to compare it to?
VanLazarus wrote on 3/27/2009, 3:12 AM
I don't have those cameras to compare it with. Is there a way to post sample video to this forum?
farss wrote on 3/27/2009, 3:31 AM
Take a look on Vimeo at footage shot in 720p50 or 720p60 with an EX1/3.
By the very nature of how interlaced cameras work progressive will general deliver more resolution than interlaced. It can in fact deliver too much resolution for interlaced delivery systems so care is needed.

The only problem at the moment is 24/25p is the only deliver option available and shooting such low frame rates brings with it another set of issues.

Bob.
VanLazarus wrote on 4/1/2009, 3:28 PM
Bob, I don't understand what you mean by:
'The only problem at the moment is 24/25p is the only deliver option available and shooting such low frame rates brings with it another set of issues.'

Blueray players can deliver video at 1080 29.97p... or is it 1080 59.94p?
Yoyodyne wrote on 4/1/2009, 3:32 PM
I hear ya about progressive - interlacing is just a pain in the butt....

But don't be takin' my 24 fps!



It seems to work o.k. for these guys:

http://www.imdb.com/
farss wrote on 4/1/2009, 3:58 PM
30p has another set of issues, it's a nightmare to convert to PAL.
Aside from that at 30p temporal resolution is still very low.
It's also quite likely to end up as 1080PsF as is 25p and not all players and displays might get the de-interlacing correct.
I'm also don't believe it's a broadcast standard.

Don't get me wrong 50p/60p is my holy grail too.
Then again one could resonably ask is 60fps fast enough, there's some evidence that the limits of human vision is around 400fps. I used to doubt that until I too saw that I can see a projectile fired from a gun at subsonic speeds, just, if I'm lucky.

Bob.
FrigidNDEditing wrote on 4/1/2009, 4:50 PM
"I used to doubt that until I too saw that I can see a projectile fired from a gun at subsonic speeds, just, if I'm lucky."

I guess I'll consider myself lucky if I don't see projectiles fired from a gun at all :P

I think I'd want all things 60p in recording but just because I would want to output at slower frame rates if necessary, for good smooth slow motion.

Dave