A lack of horsepower is not the only thing holding back the concept of native HDV editing. If the visual demo on the Cineform website is to be believed, there's another factor--m2t just can't take multiple decode/encode cycles without degradation. The Cineform example showed that after 10 round-trips the m2t looked terrible, so I would guess that you'd notice serious changes after only maybe 3 or 4 cycles. By contrast, transcoding to intermediate or using proxies means you can tweak the images to death and they will still look great in the final render. What huge amounts of horsepower will do for us in a few years will be to make that initial transcoding painless.

" ... Don't count on it, before fall...."

You may be right .. I've been looking at the Acid 6 hype and maybe they devoted the entire development team to it this time ... who knows? ... seems to be a major upgrade... I've also been reading Rednroll's posts on the Cakewalk forums ... he's selling all the Sonar users on the merits of Acid ... great for Sony to have an expat there extolling the virtues ...

Actually, this makes a lot of sense. A lot of the audio folks have been increasingly unhappy with Vegas' (which after all, started life as a multi-track audio editor) increasing emphasis on video.

If Sony can reposition Acid as its flagship DAW/music audio-everything software, it should let them focus on adding video tools to Vegas, without alienating Vegas' audio users.

(Hopefully, Sony won't forget to keep the audio tools in Vegas up to date, too!)

While I wait for news on V7, here's some feedback on the new Premiere Elements 2 I've been messing with....

1. It's not a bad program that 20 Gigs of RAM and an 8 core processor couldn't fix. This baby eats resources like there's no tomorrow. In task manager, it's sucking over a Gig for the smallest renders and previews and doesn't like to free up all the resources after and I've got an Athlon dual core and 2 Gigs of RAM pushing it.

2. The workflow is tightly focused on DV so it's picky on what you can inhale through the media bins and timelines. How picky? Freeze and crash picky if it ain't DV-AVI and me being a square pixel pusher, this is not good. Forget analog capture.

3. Good implementaion is the Keyframing. It's very intuitive. Also good is the Title program. The preview window is sharp and clear under "auto" preset. And the best is burning a DVD right off the timeline. It's not a bad program but compared to Vegas (even Vegas Studio) it's simply not flexible enough.

What I get from this is that Premiere Elements is NOT for today's general hardware. This program will run well on a 64 bit OS that allows much more than 2 Gigs of RAM. All programs are going this route. I hope Vegas7 (whenever it comes out) hasn't sold its soul to the hardware makers.

So, to sum up ... I would like for Vegas 7 to maintain its friendly association with my current hardware and steal a few modules from the DVD A program and let me burn DVD's off the Vegas timeline without opening or sending it to a seperate program.

...............Vegas 7 will not be released at NAB, this year. Don't count on it, before fall.

Jay, are you a betting man ?

What you may see is a BD authoring app on the new VAIO line, seems that's what the local Sony guys are saying. And what might that app be?

Bob.

" ... And what might that app be? ..."

It better not be Pinnacle Studio ... don't laugh .. I've seen Sony video product bundles that didn't use Vegas ...

My rumors have always been 100% accurate.

Yes, Jay, I've also "heard" that. G

Not saying anyone is right, or anyone is wrong because I don't know myself. But I do know that a "rumor" in the DVXuser.com communitystated positively that Vegas 6d would have native HVX support, which was obviously not accurate.
What's the point?
There are so many rumors and stories and wishes and hopes, and everything else surrounding what Sony may or may not do and when they will or will not do it, no one but Sony Madison knows what's really going on. I will say with 100% certainty that Sony folks not in Madison don't even know what's what or when, or why, or how. Even "100% accurate rumors" aren't facts. They're just suppositions.
But, it's sure a lot of fun to suppose, guess, wish, hope, comment, etc. I think my fave threads are these. Clipman, you've given me a lotta chuckles in these past few threads. Keep em' going!

"keep 'em going"

Funny, I was thinking the opposite, but for exactly the same reasons.

It's just software people! v7 will come out when it comes out, it'll do what it's supposed to do (after a bugfix or two)...whether there are rumours now or not doesn't matter. But then, I shouldn't take these threads so seriously either.

It's just software people!

Oh dear .. . oh dear . . tell me it aint true?? Tell me??!? All those years! All those tears?!?? And now just, just like that!



It's hard . . it's unbearable . . . The Horror . . . The Horror

Don't you think they will change the name "Vegas" for something else ?







Ok!ok!I know where's the exit! :P

" .... It's just software people! ..."

Yes, it's true, but when you're tied up for weeks at a time trying to meet a deadline, it's EVERYTHING! Every glitch, hiccup and annoyance in the software becomes all-consuming when you're deep into it. The software tool becomes your whole life when you're up to your eyeballs in never-ending client requests. Bad software shortens your lifespan. It's like working in contruction and having to use the ass end of the hammer because some clown forgot to assemble the head properly. News of new tools and their features are critical to the projects we accept and promise delivery on.

Calling it Vegas, for whatever reason was/is a great decision. It's not about having a hip name, but having mind share that sticks Even people who know little of the NLE world have heard of Vegas.

2allbeefpattiesspecialsaucelettucecheeseonionspicklesonasesameseedbun? anyone?

" ... no one but Sony Madison knows what's really going on ..."

Not true ... I know what's happening ... I was changing a flat tire in the middle of the Interstate when a Madison guy pulls up and tells me Vegas 7 is gonna be an Acid 6 plug-in and then he drives off before I can ask which folder it goes in ...

Sorry clipman, that was me,, sorry about the tire ,was just goofin with ya, although I do know exactly when the new version will be released. Along with which stocks to buy and who will win the NCAA tournament. BRILLIANT!!!!

A reliable source informed me that in all likelyhood there will NOT be a Vegas 7, as the state of Nevada is claiming exclusive copyrights to that name.

Suddenly a car pulls alongside...someone jumps to the truck's running board and yanks open the door, holding a small pistol that fires Magic Bullets.

"Okay, move over! I'm hijackin' this thread!"

He grabs the wheel and the truck careens onto a color-correction thread, bouncing through arguments for & against MPEG-2 rendering.

Then, an eagle flies into the truck cab and pecks viciously on the hijacker's head, its spotted feathers glistening in the internet sun. "Awk! Awk!"

The hijacker gives up and leaps from the truck. It skids down a slippery slope and comes to rest in a political thicket.

A book of matches from the hijacker lies on the floorboard, with a single word: "Billyboy."

The driver steps out, dusts himself off.

"Man. It'll be another seven months till I'm in Vegas."

(A lawyer wakes up from his desk with a start, moves to erase his crazy thread but accidentally posts it.)