Some flaws/bugs of VP18's New plugin window

lan-mLMC wrote on 12/14/2020, 1:02 AM

1. proDAD VitaScene V4 transition in VP18's New plugin window can't be dragged to timeline but legacy plugin manager can. 00:00-00:37 download trial to test

2. Heroglyph 4 in VP18's New plugin window can't be dragged to timeline but legacy plugin manager can. 00:41-01:04 download trial to test

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Steve_Rhoden wrote on 12/14/2020, 5:28 AM

Yeah, i noticed that same issue when testing the trial of this new Vitascene 4 plugin.... They however have now included some very impressive and modern transitions in this new version.

Reyfox wrote on 12/14/2020, 5:57 AM

I don't have Hero but do have Vitascene V3 Pro and I can drag and drop from the "new" (I hate it) plugin window to the timeline with no problem.

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VEGASPascal wrote on 12/14/2020, 7:23 AM

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. @Reyfox Why you hate the new plugin window?

Reyfox wrote on 12/14/2020, 8:42 AM

@VEGASPascal thank you for asking.

My dislike is based on working with VP14-17. The "new" plugin window might be fine for those who do not have additional plugins or not many of them, or they haven't used past versions of Vegas.

Favorites is a nice addition, but all the rest of the tabs in Video FX (except Third Party) refer to Vegas only. It's a fast easy way to access them for new users or VMS people, but I do think Vegas Pro users have to "adjust" to a feature that really (at least to me) offered not much improvement outside of the new addition, the Favorites tab. Third Party tab, I have this long list.

I have Boris Continuum Complete 2021, Sapphire, Ignite Pro and NBFX. When I clicked on the VideoFX tab in past versions, I was presented with folders, not a long list of individual plugins in alphabetical order with no relationship to the next one in line, except by chance.

I knew in VP17, if I clicked on the BCC 3D Objects, all the plugins in that folder related to the Title Studio plugin.

The same with BCC Key and Blend. Or Ignite Pro Lights & Flares, or any of the other additional plugins I have installed.

I have resorted to using the Plugin Manager, which has everything in folders, but there are times when in VP17, if you clicked on a plugin in the Video FX tab, you might get an animated thumbnail to give you a representation of what that plugin will do. There are no thumbnails in Plugin Manager. It's like using Event FX.

I had VMS16 installed on my computer. After looking at all the thumbnails without folders, it seemed "unorganized". I uninstalled it. The "new" way again, might be nice for someone new and/or someone coming from VMS, they are used to it, but for "me", I would much rather have an option to display Video FX like in VP17.

Side note: I have a friend who came into the Vegas "fold" with VP18 and Boris Continuum Complete 2021. To him, the way VP18 handles FX is ok, it was similar to his previous editor, until he saw how it was with VP17 from a screen shot I had. Now he understands my "why".

VEGASPascal wrote on 12/14/2020, 9:03 AM

@Reyfox Thanks for your feedback and a description which helps to improve something.

lan-mLMC wrote on 12/15/2020, 5:28 AM

Why you hate the new plugin window?

@VEGASPascal There are several disadvantages :

【1.】 In VEGAS Pro 18, before the all thumbnals are generated, you can't drag fx name to events in timeline 【00:00-00:45】. But it can be done without aftering all thumbnals are generated in VP16's legacy event fx window 【00:45-01:01】.

【2.】 Localized version bug : When searching fx, It will be listed and automatically activated, but the thumbnail will not switch to this fx automatically 【00:00-00:15】. This will not accur in VP16's legacy plugin window 【00:15-00:33】. (This VP18 bug occurs in Localized version like Chinese, Japanese, Korean.) Another proof shows it may occur in generic version. https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/search-and-drag-video-fx-selects-previous-one-if-not-clicked--127601/#ca793790

【3.】 When you install quite a few plugins, the filter can't display all groups.

【4.】 When you want to display some group, you need to uncheck all other groups one by one manually 【00:00-00:50】. After this, if you want to display all groups, you need to check all other groups one by one manually 【00:50-01:07】. It's very very painful.

【5.】 When you uncheck some groups in filter, there will be much blank space in the left window 【00:30-00:51】.

【6.】 When click and switch to other windows or softwares, the filter will not disappear automatically.

【7.】 Compared with Vegas 17's. In the plugin window of Vegas 17, you can rapidly view all preset thumbnails by pressing "↑" and "↓" key. But Vegas 18's can't.

【8.】 Can't search parameters and presets. https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/vp19b225-vp18-bug-can-t-search-fx-whose-parameter-contains-keyword--129471/

VEGASPascal wrote on 12/15/2020, 8:20 AM

Why you hate the new plugin window?

@VEGASPascal There are several disadvantages :

1. Before the all thumbnals are generated, you can't drag fx name to events in timeline 00:00-00:45 . But it can be done without aftering all thumbnals are generated, in VP16's legacy event fx window 00:45-01:01 .

2. Localized version bug : After searching some fx, It will be listed and automatically activated, but the thumbnail will not switch to this fx automatically 00:00-00:15 . This will not accur in VP16's legacy plugin window 00:15-00:33 . (This VP18 bug occurs in Localized version like Chinese, Japanese, Korean.)

3. When you install quite a few plugins, the filter can't display all groups.

4. When you want to display some group, you need to uncheck all other groups one by one manually 00:00-00:50 . After this, if you want to display all groups, you need to check all other groups one by one manually 00:50-01:07 .

5. When you uncheck some groups in filter, there will be much blank space in the left window 00:30-00:51 .

6. When click and switch to other windows or softwares, the filter will not disappear automatically.

@lan-mLMC Thanks for your feedback. We are working to fix some of your bugs...

I believe "2. Localized version bug" is fixed. Could you do a factory reset in VP18 (holding Shift + Ctlr at start)? The names comes from an old cached file.

lan-mLMC wrote on 12/15/2020, 5:35 PM

@VEGASPascal I believe "2. Localized version bug" is fixed. 

@VEGASPascal No, it still exists.  

You can change [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Sony Creative Software\VEGAS Pro\18.0\Lang]
"ULangID"=dword:00000804 , to make VEGAS Pro localized, and copy this "高斯模糊" to search fx and test it.

lan-mLMC wrote on 12/16/2020, 6:07 AM

@VEGASPascal Here is a small longtime "bug" of some plugins with quite a few parameters in all version of VEGAS Pro, like BCC, Universe, Sapphire.

When the OFX parameter panel is opened, the playback cursor can't display normally. 00:00-00:34 This is not so handy for editing.

When the panel is closed, the cursor turns normal. 00:34-00:50

Download BCC for trial and test : https://cdn.borisfx.com/borisfx/store/continuum-ofx/Continuum_2021_OFX_Hosts_14_0_0_Windows.exe

alifftudm95 wrote on 12/16/2020, 8:48 AM

@VEGASPascal thank you for asking.

My dislike is based on working with VP14-17. The "new" plugin window might be fine for those who do not have additional plugins or not many of them, or they haven't used past versions of Vegas.

Favorites is a nice addition, but all the rest of the tabs in Video FX (except Third Party) refer to Vegas only. It's a fast easy way to access them for new users or VMS people, but I do think Vegas Pro users have to "adjust" to a feature that really (at least to me) offered not much improvement outside of the new addition, the Favorites tab. Third Party tab, I have this long list.

I have Boris Continuum Complete 2021, Sapphire, Ignite Pro and NBFX. When I clicked on the VideoFX tab in past versions, I was presented with folders, not a long list of individual plugins in alphabetical order with no relationship to the next one in line, except by chance.

I knew in VP17, if I clicked on the BCC 3D Objects, all the plugins in that folder related to the Title Studio plugin.

The same with BCC Key and Blend. Or Ignite Pro Lights & Flares, or any of the other additional plugins I have installed.

I have resorted to using the Plugin Manager, which has everything in folders, but there are times when in VP17, if you clicked on a plugin in the Video FX tab, you might get an animated thumbnail to give you a representation of what that plugin will do. There are no thumbnails in Plugin Manager. It's like using Event FX.

I had VMS16 installed on my computer. After looking at all the thumbnails without folders, it seemed "unorganized". I uninstalled it. The "new" way again, might be nice for someone new and/or someone coming from VMS, they are used to it, but for "me", I would much rather have an option to display Video FX like in VP17.

Side note: I have a friend who came into the Vegas "fold" with VP18 and Boris Continuum Complete 2021. To him, the way VP18 handles FX is ok, it was similar to his previous editor, until he saw how it was with VP17 from a screen shot I had. Now he understands my "why".

yea agreed with you.

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VEGASDerek wrote on 12/16/2020, 8:55 AM

Are the filter options on the "Third Party" tab insufficient for your needs in for this matter?

Reyfox wrote on 12/16/2020, 3:34 PM

For "me" the problem with the Filters in the Third Party tab is all the check marks you have to click, and you still do not know what is contained in those "folders".

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Former user wrote on 12/22/2021, 9:39 AM

@VEGASDerek @lan-mLMC slightly different but similar topic,

No Filter in VP19 & All Plugins doesn't show 'all plugins', it starts at BCC not 360 or Auto looks, 🤷‍♂️ is this expected ?

They're in the Creative tab so show when searched in the All Plugins tab

Reyfox wrote on 12/22/2021, 5:55 PM

In VP19, All Plug-ins, Video FX, the first one for me is BCC+Ambient Light. 360 is after BCC+X-Ray, then 3D Lut Creator...

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Former user wrote on 12/22/2021, 9:53 PM

@Reyfox @lan-mLMC Thanks, yep my first one is BCC+Ambient Light also, the slider must have been down just one fx in that pic, i thought i'd pushed it to the top though looking for the A's & yep found them after BCC+, i can see the name gap, I normally type in the search as scrolling is a bit long & i was scrolling past those 4 between BCC+ & BCC.