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what the hell, it's only a link. you have the choice to follow it or not.....

OK, I understand your point - I just don't think that, that was the point of this questionaire. The only way for Sony to fairly stop people from posting videos that are potentially objectionable, Sony would probably have to stop all video links, as some people only make certain videos and they should not be shut out just because of it. That's why I included in the poll, any and all subject matter that is legal. People are smart enought to figure out that a video may contain objectionable material and not view it if they so choose - according to this thread at least they sound like they are wanting to make the choice themselves.

And as for the intention behind the videos posted - no-one but the poster can truely know that. Everyone else is guessing at what it is, and cannot say for certain - no matter how certain they are.

- I'm really trying not to say anything here that might agitate anyone, so if I have, please, don't take it that way.

I really don't want to post anymore "oppinions" in here.

If you want to keep talking beyond this maybe go back into the other thread or you could start a new one too.

Dave

(EDIT - I don't think I've seen you're vote in here Billy ;-)

Legal where? This is a forum with a world wide audience. Which again is why videos on certain subjects are sure to inflame the passions of some. In real world, you've got Mr. "born again" Bush pushing his agenda. While the far right jumps up and down and appaulds, I assure you at least half this country and much of the world watches in disgust as little Georgie tries to shove his brand of "democracy" down the throats of the people of Iraq and only managing to pile up the corposes instead.

Should a video discussing that or perhaps a satire of Fahrenheit 9/11 be linked to from this forum? No, for the same reasons an abortion vid shoudln't. It would only inflame some. Just the mere mention of it like I just did will bother some people I'm sure. So no, it can't be a free for all where any kind of video is allowed. Allowing anything or banning everything isn't the answer. Using some common sense is. We all know what's likely to bug some forum members and such vids simply shouldn't be linked to to avoid what's happened now, endless discussion about it.

The guy said:

"Please only state Y or N and nothing else"

Well, I guess if Sony feels the same way, then they will start banning input by members of this forum that have created videos in vegas that fall under those categories. If, on the other hand, they do not agree with that, then they will not start cutting out input from some just because that is the job they use Vegas to do. We disagree, but we have no say in the matter - if we did, we would not have been having all these threads. Maybe the moderators would like to make an official statement on posting works done in Vegas, but us talking about it, beyond this point is useless, and probably should not be done anymore, in order to maintain the civility of this forum. At least don't put them in here, put them somewhere else. thanks.

Dave

"Should a video discussing that or perhaps a satire of Fahrenheit 9/11 be linked to from this forum? No, for the same reasons an abortion vid shoudln't. It would only inflame some. Just the mere mention of it like I just did will bother some people I'm sure. So no, it can't be a free for all where any kind of video is allowed. Allowing anything or banning everything isn't the answer. Using some common sense is. We all know what's likely to bug some forum members and such vids simply shouldn't be linked to to avoid what's happened now, endless discussion about it. "

OK...so you feel we shouldn't link to politically objectionable videos. Hmmm....let's have a peek at some of BB's past posts:
(Can you spell Hypocrite? Which is one of your favorite words to toss at people?)

Off Topic Bush Humor

Bush & Blair Love song

Openly attacking George Bush

"A very funny flash video" making fun of Bush

Link to a picture of Rush Limbaugh as a pig.

Link to page of criticisms of George Bush

Directly attacking George Bush

Links to page accusing George and Jeb Bush of conspiracy to commit voter fraud.

Attack on Bush again.

Another attack on Bush

Attacking Bush and Limbaugh in the same post, with links to several anti-Bush, anti-Cheney, and anti-Limbaugh pages.

Attacking Barbara Bush with links to anti-Bush pages.

Flash video of Bush and Kerry

Link to video of Bush in drag queen clothes.

Semi-attack on George Bush

Attack on Bush & Cheney

Attack on Bush and Ashcroft

Attack on Ashcroft, Martha Stewart, Limbaugh

Attack on right wing in general

Overall, you've posted attacks on Bush nearly 50 times, and right wingers almost as much. Looking at your past posts, out of over 150 posts I looked at, only 7 were actual "do thus and such, this or that" to fix something or help someone out. I cannot fathom how you can possibly believe that any regular member of this forum does not see through your BS.

- Ray

www.undergroundplanet.com

(edit ) What BB is really saying is that its okay to push your agenda and post links to videos and other propaganda as long as you showed no talent, creativity, or put any effort into the message whatsoever. Otherwise, feel free to post links at will, and if he agrees with it's message, it must be perfectly permissable.

Ouch....that's gonna leave a mark

well, that's kind of a post that's gonna raise some hairs, but I have to say, that it does bring some things into light - BB is definately not really adhearing to his own requirements. I'm not opposed to opposing views. BB can post whatever he likes, but it's gonna have to be a 2 way street. I was letting the "examples" go as just that, but I think that it was more of a push of his agenda in an "under the radar" type of way. It was convenient to use something that might push buttons, but the fact that he kept saying the same examples over and over again, leads me to believe that he likes to use this forum to push his own agenda in his own ways. I think that if you want to keep this forum non-agendized BB, then you need to do your own part, and keep your anti bush, and any other agenda that you may have out of this forum. I do not want to push buttons here, but his point is pretty clear.

Dave

BTW - I'm guessing that many if, not all of those videos, were not done in Vegas :-)

Muttley, if you publish a book or sell a video, count me as one of your customers. Great research, reflects on your work principles.

Y

HAHAHAHA!!!!
You go Muttley!
HAHAAHAHA!

Prediction:

When someone from Sony reads this thread tomorrow morning, after they get in to work, it will be locked, if not deleted altogether.

Now, we should start one of those "office pools," $2 a pop, and have folks submit the time they think this will happen. The one who comes closest to picking the right time wins the kitty!

<Sony employees and members of their family are not eligible.>

On the "Can't we all get along?" thread, Spot comments, if I understand him correctly, that Sony has not put resources into having an active moderator, and also that Sony is reluctant to start censoring content due to certain restrictions corporations have to consider.

I didn't know that, and therefore I'll stop referring to the Sony agreement required of forum members. I don't criticize Sony for this, I just acknowledge that the company has balanced considerations and made a policy decision. I certainly don't favor shutting down all content, or all video links because it's less expensive to do so.

Though some of the people who read my posts (vitalforce at home, editor3333 at the office) may think I'm an old fuddy-duddy, this is not so. I am passionate about my politics, and about legal questions regarding church and state, but I am even more passionate about the necessity of keeping the Internet as free and open as humanly possible. This is a time in modern history when there are people who would very much like to lock down the Internet and prevent free discussion.

So I'll lay off in the future, with the objections about evangelism on a tech forum. There are worse things.

Y

Y

This is from Billyboy in a thread from 2003 :

"I'll keep going, but at the same time I'm going to try not to jump into too many threads, because I don't want this to turn into the BillyBoy forum because while I try to give factual information, I know... sometimes I can be like a bull moose when defending what is just "my opinion" on how some things should be done and then I think well maybe others aren't posting as much due to me sometimes coming across like Atilla the Hun or a know-it-all smartass or something. I am just trying to help, but I guess I do come across a little heavy-handed sometimes and I DO like to argue, in case you haven't noticed. <wink>"

Ray (Muttley)

That was PRICELESS!

John

So John, when can we expect your confession that you're a little over the top at times?

Never, Billy.

You know, I've noticed that whenever anyone has called you out AND had the irrefutable, undeniable facts in black & white to back it up, you just don't EVER respond. It is particularly powerful when you are taken down by your own words and actions.

John

Dear John, take a good long look in that extra large mirror I know you have somewhere. When you do, you'll see the problem staring back at you. Try to smile. Maybe wink at yourself. Do something to lighten up.

You're a jerk Cline. You keep proving it every day.

Maybe

But Billy, the challenge to you was to defend your actions that Muttley posted above. You can't ignore it without looking like a bigger fool. Muttley has you dead-to-rights and you have nothing to say except to sling some mud at me? Come on, let's hear your defense. You can't ignore it forever.

I just looked in the mirror and there was no problem staring back at me like you said there would be. You just continue to disappoint me at every turn.

John