Splitting events question

pete_h wrote on 6/14/2003, 9:08 AM
I captured a 2 hour analog movie into VF. It broke it up into about 6 parts (EI file size limits of Windows 98 SE) Imported those 6 AVI's into the time line and have been deleting the bad footage by splitting those parts and then highliting the split and then deleting the split part (ripple is ON)

Everything was working fine (the vidio and audio of the bad footage deletes and the footage before and after the split are joined together) (video and audio before and after are fine)

Suddenly my method is not working !!! The video gets deleted but the audio is still there. If I try then to delete the audio, my sync gets all messed up.

I'm thinking that I somehow ungrouped the original video and audio tracks (???), but I don't know what I did.

After two nites of frustration, I'm admitting defeat and asking for help :(

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JohnnyRoy wrote on 6/14/2003, 3:10 PM
If you think you ungouped the video and audio (it’s easy to do, just press the “U” key) then all you have to do is select the video and audio and press the “G” key to group them again.

If all your clips seem to be ungrouped, then you may have pressed the “Ignore Event Grouping button”, I just did that recently when I was trying to turn ripple edit on and off and hit the ignore event grouping button by mistake. Boy was I surprised. ;-) It’s probably one of those two things.

~jr
pete_h wrote on 6/15/2003, 10:08 AM
I pressed G and nothing happened.

Should I highlite them first? (If so what is the procedure.....I can't seem to get everything highlited)

I've got to be doing something wrong, but can't figure it out.

By the way, the "ignore event grouping" button is not activated.

As a work around, I wrote the project to a DV-AVI file, started a new project with that file, and everything works again, BUT I'm concerned that I might have lost some quality.
What do you think?

laz wrote on 6/16/2003, 2:18 AM
Also don't forget the 'undo' facility is excellent, which I use often due to middle-age cock-ups. Plus, as a matter of course I 'save' about every 20mins or so for 2 reasons: a; if I make a big boob which is so far back I can close down prog without saving and revert; b; the pc memory is hard-pressed to process all the editing plus the undo facility. The 'undo's' stretch memory but in some progs (like PhotoImpact) you can set the max undo to lessen the stress on memory.
ChristerTX wrote on 6/16/2003, 8:34 AM
I see the term "ripple editing" in this forum. Can someone explain what that is ?
JohnnyRoy wrote on 6/16/2003, 4:39 PM
> I pressed G and nothing happened. Should I highlite them first? (If so what is the procedure.....I can't seem to get everything highlited)

Yes, you must highlight just one video and one audio event and then press ‘G’ to group them. Then move on to the next one that is ungrouped and do the same thing. Select one video and one audio track and press ‘G’. The reason you don’t want to select them all at once is because it will group them all into one big group and then the events won’t move independently and I don’t think this is what you want.

Writing them out to an AVI and importing them back shouldn’t loose any noticeable quality. The SoFo DV codec is really good.

~jr
Steve Grisetti wrote on 6/17/2003, 10:26 AM

Ripple editing simply means that, when you cut out a section, all the events to the right move left to fill in the gap.

That's as opposed to cutting out a segment and everything remains where it is, leaving an empty spot in the timeline.

Most of the time, you'll prefer to ripple edit. Occasionally, though, you intentionally want to leave a hole so you can fill it in with a clip later.
dand9959 wrote on 6/17/2003, 11:30 AM
Is there a way to make the "opposite" happen?

I mean: Drop an event between two other segments (or into a gap between two segments), and have everything to the right move down to make room?

(As it is now, it seems that the default behavior when the clip you are adding is bigger than the gap, VF overlays the clip via crossfades.)

Is the workaround to select everything adjacent on the right to the end, and physically move the group yourself?
JohnnyRoy wrote on 6/17/2003, 12:24 PM
> Is there a way to make the "opposite" happen?

Yes, When you drag the event do a right-click drag and when you drop it, select Ripple insert from the menu while ripple edit is on and everything will move over for you. If you are cutting and pasting, do a Paste insert (Ctrl-Shft-V)

~jr
pete_h wrote on 6/18/2003, 6:27 PM
JR
Thank you for all of your help, but I still cannot get the video and audio to delete together. Maybe I'm not getting this right, but here's what I tried:

Everything was working right by splitting the event, double clicking the split section on the video track (to highlite it), then right clicking and choosing delete (ripple event ON). The split section's video and audio were deleted and the "gap" was filled with the remaining footage to the right.

NOTE: At this point all of the events to the left are "good footage" and the large event to the right is "unedited footage"

Now as I try to edit out bad footage on that large event on the "right" my method does not work (only the video) is deleted, not the audio.

NOW I try what you suggested by clicking the video on the "right", then the audio, the pressing 'G'. Seemed like nothing happened, went ahead and tried my deleting method and again the same problem, video gone but audio still there!

Am I not clicking the audio and video to the "right" the proper way ????

Since you said it was OK to use my work-around method of writing the project to an AVI and importing back to a new project, I am going to continue to work that way on my project (at least my method of deleting bad footage works again on this "new project"

The only reason I ask again "what am I doing wrong" is that I'm frustrated that I cannot get the original project to work properly. Is it possible that I "split, deleted" to many times that it no longer works.....Arrrrg

I probably should just move on to the "new project with the new AVI" , but I sure would like to know what went wrong.

Again thank you for your advise!
p_l wrote on 6/18/2003, 8:41 PM
1. Click on the video.
2. Hold Control and click on the audio track.
3. Hit G.
4. Right-click and choose Delete.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 6/18/2003, 10:25 PM
If you want both the video and audio to be ripple deleted together you have to make them a selection. (that’s the same blue area on the top bar as if you were making a loop region) When you double click on an event, the whole event is selected.

So to cut out an unwanted selection of video and audio, make two splits; one at the beginning and one at the end of the unwanted video. Then double click on this middle event that you have split out and the whole event should be selected across all the tracks. Then press delete and the events to the right will ripple into place. I think you’re leaving out the part where you must select the area to ripple delete.

~jr
pete_h wrote on 6/19/2003, 8:29 PM
Actually that is exactly what I have been doing, and all worked fine until I posted this problem, which I again thank all of you for trying to help.

The only thing I have noticed is that there was a "marker" on the right side of the video track AND the audio track after I had "SPLIT" the event. NOW it only appears on the video track. Any ideas ???