Stabilization on Vegas Pro 16

PerSchou-Jensen wrote on 9/8/2018, 11:06 AM

Stabilization with "FX Vegas Stabilization" on a clip is too complicated.

1) First right klik on the Clip and choose FX, than choose "FX Vegas Video Stabilization" The stabilizator is locked.

2) Then right klik the Clip again and choose Media FX, Than choose "FX Vegas Video Stabilization" Now the stabilizator is open.

The 2) session is yoo much klikking to use the stabilizator. The 1) session schould be enough.

 

 

 

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Len Kaufman wrote on 9/8/2018, 11:14 AM

I never understood why the Vegas stabilization had to be implemented from the "Media/Video Effects" at the top of the screen, and not on the timeline, like all the other plug-ins. Even in previous versions of Vegas Pro. ProDad Mercalli is usable right on the timeline in the effects for that particular clip, and I've always thought that, at least previous versions of Vegas Stabilization, were based on ProDad Mercalli.

I'm glad I bought the full version of ProDad Mercalli, and I continue to happily use it right on the timeline in VP16.

xberk wrote on 9/8/2018, 12:15 PM

Yes. Vegas stabilizer must be applied to the entire media and not just the event. Mercalli works on the event level. This makes things faster initially. But if you edit the length of that stabilized event, Mercalli needs to be re-applied to the newly edited event every time you edit the length , whereas the Vegas stabilizer does not since it has been applied to the entire media already. Pay now or Pay later.

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Kinvermark wrote on 9/8/2018, 12:20 PM

Plus Mercalli v4 fx does randomly lose its settings and sometimes needs to be deleted to even re-analyse properly. Vegasaur can automatically create a subclip when applying the Vegas stabilizer as a media fx, so that helps minimize processing.

j-v wrote on 9/8/2018, 12:32 PM

Yes. Vegas stabilizer must be applied to the entire media and not just the event.

??????
Vegas Stabilizer, old and new, can be applied to a part of the media like an event.
First you have to make that event a subclip and than apply the stabilizer.
My results are as good (if not better sometimes) as Mercalli 4, unless I make the proper settings in the Vegas new stabilizer of 16.

I showed here already an example

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Kinvermark wrote on 9/8/2018, 12:43 PM

Results are very much dependent upon the footage. Mercalli v4 is much better at creating a "locked down" look.

VEGASPascal wrote on 9/8/2018, 12:49 PM

The difference between VideoFx and MediaFx is that the MediaFx is everytime the first effect. What would happen if the Stabilizer would be a VideoFx and after a Gaussian Blur? The Stabilizer had some problems to detect the motion and works wrong.

xberk wrote on 9/8/2018, 1:22 PM

Stabilization with "FX Vegas Stabilization" on a clip is too complicated.

1) First right klik on the Clip and choose FX, than choose "FX Vegas Video Stabilization" The stabilizator is locked.

2) Then right klik the Clip again and choose Media FX, Than choose "FX Vegas Video Stabilization" Now the stabilizator is open.

The 2) session is yoo much klikking to use the stabilizator. The 1) session schould be enough.

 

 

 


Getting back to the OP's point. Here's what I do in VP16 to activate the Vegas stabilization plug-in.

1) Right click on the timeline event. Choose Media FX. Choose Vegas Video Stabilization. Click Add. Click OK. Five clicks total.

 

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PerSchou-Jensen wrote on 9/9/2018, 5:53 AM

Thank you, Your suggestion is really good. Works well so I've posted it as a default startup

AVsupport wrote on 1/3/2019, 4:56 PM

Is there any way to determine by looking at a clip that's on the timeline and visually identify whether or not it has MediaFX applied, like you can tell with EventFX and TrackFX icons?

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j-v wrote on 1/3/2019, 5:20 PM

Is there any way to determine by looking at a clip that's on the timeline and visually identify whether or not it has MediaFX applied, like you can tell with EventFX and TrackFX icons?

Please no more information possibilities on an event on the track, because I don't like to much outzooming to see information.
It are only 2 mouseclicks:
rightclick on the video event and
left click on MediaFX

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AVsupport wrote on 1/3/2019, 5:58 PM

Yes. Vegas stabilizer must be applied to the entire media and not just the event. Mercalli works on the event level. [..] whereas the Vegas stabilizer does not since it has been applied to the entire media already. Pay now or Pay later.

Whilst this might sometimes seem like a good idea, this might not work for longer clips that may have erratic movements on either end, which then leads to corrupting the stabilizer alogarythms, which can lead to bad results as I have observed, hence me needing to create subclips anyway..

/edit: add: Also, consider the possibility, VP Stabilize could be a EventFX, you could analyze once and keep the settings even if you were shortening the clips, couldn't you? you can with speed ramps etc..there shouldn't be a need to re-analyze unless You wanted to-?

And, perhaps, having the opportunity to key out - eliminate objects before applying the stabilization could actually help in some cases?

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AVsupport wrote on 1/3/2019, 6:02 PM

Is there any way to determine by looking at a clip that's on the timeline and visually identify whether or not it has MediaFX applied, like you can tell with EventFX and TrackFX icons?

Please no more information possibilities on an event on the track, because I don't like to much outzooming to see information.
It are only 2 mouseclicks:
rightclick on the video event and
left click on MediaFX

Now I have multiple subclips. I don't know which one's are stabilized. I right-click the first one, OK, select the next clip on the timeline, but the context window still stays with the first one selected..huh? Plus, how do you 'Selectively copy Media Events'? I don't think there's such a thing..?

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

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NickHope wrote on 1/4/2019, 1:05 AM

Is there any way to determine by looking at a clip that's on the timeline and visually identify whether or not it has MediaFX applied, like you can tell with EventFX and TrackFX icons?

A different coloured "fx" icon (e.g. pink instead of green) would be a good way of indicating that.

AVsupport wrote on 1/4/2019, 6:21 AM

The difference between VideoFx and MediaFx is that the MediaFx is everytime the first effect. What would happen if the Stabilizer would be a VideoFx and after a Gaussian Blur? The Stabilizer had some problems to detect the motion and works wrong.

couldn't you add a Gaussian Blur before the Stabilizer in the MediaFX and run into the same trouble? If the order of FX is important, then the operator should take care of that decision making process

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AVsupport wrote on 1/4/2019, 7:17 PM

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my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

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Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

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AVsupport wrote on 1/4/2019, 10:07 PM

FYI @VEGASPascal here's a quick comparison of the various stabilizer presets; created subclips and applied media fx only. added titles. Source clips XAVC-S 1080/50 on a 25p timeline. Couldn't help noticing subclips are 25fps. Haven't spent much time trying to finetune each single setting, as VP was crashing all the time when adjusting parameters/reanalyzing...

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

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Intel 600series 512GB M.2 SSD system drive running Win10/64 home automatic driver updates,

Crucial BX500 1TB EDIT 3D NAND SATA 2.5-inch SSD

2x 4TB 7200RPM NAS HGST data drive,

Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

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musko wrote on 1/5/2019, 2:49 AM

Is there any way to determine by looking at a clip that's on the timeline and visually identify whether or not it has MediaFX applied, like you can tell with EventFX and TrackFX icons?

You can see how many MediaFX is applied on media in Project Media window.

But not on the timeline.

 

A different coloured "fx" icon (e.g. pink instead of green) would be a good way of indicating that.

But this is great idea.

AVsupport wrote on 1/5/2019, 5:14 PM

@PerSchou-Jensen could you pls consider 'un-solving' this thread as the topic has now become somewhat generic to the stabilizer at large?

my current Win10/64 system (latest drivers, water cooled) :

Intel Coffee Lake i5 Hexacore (unlocked, but not overclocked) 4.0 GHz on Z370 chipset board,

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Crucial BX500 1TB EDIT 3D NAND SATA 2.5-inch SSD

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Intel HD630 iGPU - currently disabled in Bios,

nVidia GTX1060 6GB, always on latest [creator] drivers. nVidia HW acceleration enabled.

main screen 4K/50p 1ms scaled @175%, second screen 1920x1080/50p 1ms.

PerSchou-Jensen wrote on 1/6/2019, 3:14 AM

@PerSchou-Jensen could you pls consider 'un-solving' this thread as the topic has now become somewhat generic to the stabilizer at large?

 

PerSchou-Jensen wrote on 1/6/2019, 3:15 AM

OK I have solved it