Sticky - My apologies to you and the staff at Sony

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eightyeightkeys wrote on 3/2/2011, 3:10 PM
Rob, these details that I am telling you are from an expert computer tech who not only tech's Vegas for his customers, but, Premiere Pro, etc....

These guys build complete systems for :
Intel Corporate Training, Novell, Lucas Films, Comcast, Daystar Television, Jimmy Kimmel Live, BBC World, Boeing, University of Notre Dame, University of Kentucky, U2, Beastie Boys, Keith Urban, Rascal Flatts, Peter Frampton, Chuck Ainlay, Dreamworks Shrek, Disney, Madonna, etc... etc...etc...

It seems that there could be some issues on Windows 7. I have not posted there but :
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowTopics.asp?ForumID=51
ushere wrote on 3/2/2011, 5:02 PM
and toyota build reliable cars used by, etc.,

i don't mean to belittle anyone's arguments that there are (certainly well documented) problems with 10, but there's also a great many people using it WITHOUT any other problems.

Rob Franks wrote on 3/2/2011, 6:08 PM
"Rob, these details that I am telling you are from an expert computer tech who not only tech's Vegas for his customers, but, Premiere Pro, etc...."

That's not what I asked.
Again... Do you actually use more than 4 gig preview ram... and if so... on what exactly??
robwood wrote on 3/2/2011, 6:29 PM
i sure could use more than 4 gig preview RAM on a regular basis! hoping/waiting to get another 8 or 16 gig installed soon.

for what? CC + composite on (up to) 1920x1080... output eventually scaled to 1280x720, but source + composites are done at 1080p24/30... 4 gig doesn't buy u many seconds of preview. and half/quarter preview is only good for rough... don't really know whats happening less than full.

also bouncing footage back/forth with AE (which is also happier with lots of RAM), but not as often, so that bottleneck is less traveled.
deusx wrote on 3/2/2011, 7:51 PM
I use RME fireface with ASIO drivers, all machines are win XP SP3, Vegas 7, 8 and 10a, 10c used through the years ( 10c now, skipped v.9 ).

2 laptops and one desktop, it's usually the SAGER laptop that is used for recording.

It is the same Clevo laptop ADK audio sells and has been selling ( among others ) for a while. I don't say ADK audio makes bad machines, but they don't really make anything. They simply buy a nice laptop like Clevo, stick their logo on it and optimize. Of course their ( famous ) clients are people who have no clue about optimizing windows and have enough money that they never have to care about it. These people don't even change strings on their own guitars, and optimizing a Clevo laptop for audio production is just as easy as that. A client list is totally irrelevant, it's all marketing and speaks nothing of actual machines. There are no magic computers that are sold only by them or machines you or I can't buy and optimize ourselves in less than a few hour ( research included ). In case of desktops, same thing, do some research, buy parts and put it together.

My issue with ADK was their postings on various forums which were full of $hit, just making up crap to make them seem necessary and knowledgeable when a retarded monkey could do the same thing ( buy a Clevo laptop and google windows optimizing for audio production ). Claiming that a particular Clevo came with TI fireire chipset when it did not. These days they claim this:

"All our laptops have Native Texas Instruments Firewire Chipset, by using an add-in Express card with TI firewire."

3 years ago they claimed that adding Express cards with TI firewire would do you no good since it still had to go through the main chipset and you were better off buying from them. Funny how it works now when it suits them.

So, anybody like that saying that there are serious issues with Vegas is full of it, especially obvious to me since I've been using it without any problems whatsoever for years and just came down to type this after another 3-4 hours of Vegas-RME no issues whatsoever session.

If somebody doesn't want to invest time to research which laptop to buy and how to optimize it, by all means buy it from them, you are better off than than buying from best buy or whatever neighborhood store. But it's nothing that takes more than a few hours of research. And saying that there are serious issues with Vegas sounds like an excuse. Better to blame software than your own machine, right?

>>>If I go to options and set thumbnails to show in video events to all, Vegas will soon crash. <<<<

I'm doing a timelapse video where you can actually see me age significantly as I wait for the crash. I changed it to all, it's just not crashing.

ushere wrote on 3/2/2011, 8:45 PM
i suppose being an old fart and coming from the days of low band the picture quality at preview / auto looks more than good enough to work with ;-)

and for spot checking my 6gb of ram is adequate. the idea of buying oodles of ram just to play a tl at best full seems rather, well i don't know, plain extravagant considering it's not going to do so once you really start fx / cc'ing (no matter the low cost of ram at present).

if you want really serious real-time, full res playback buy a couple of digial vtrs, an ado, switcher, etc.,

then again, i deal with students who expect everything to be real-time on ANY pc, no matter what they got on the tl with cc'ing, fx, etc., seems like the ability to visualise what things will look like once rendered is a dying art.... [/rant]

Grazie wrote on 3/2/2011, 11:36 PM
[I]seems like the ability to visualise what things will look like once rendered is a dying art[/I]

Nope. What is new is the Digital domaine has much more to offer that requires slicker Preview to experiment with the new Digital toolset. This is a good thing. New Editors and young-bloods have much at there disposal, much of which requires experimenting, creatively teasing out more than just simply cut and shut. We're way beyond needing Preview for simple colour correction, which makes moderate calls on RAM. No, having better Preview would provide me with more ability to be more creative.

Grazie

deusx wrote on 3/3/2011, 1:05 AM
>>>New Editors and young-bloods have much at there disposal, much of which requires experimenting,<<<<

And after you've spent a week experimenting you realize that a simple cut without any effects looks the best. And if you bother to shoot it the right way in the first place you probably don't even need color correction.
ushere wrote on 3/3/2011, 1:07 AM
aw deusx, i think i'm in love ;-)
John_Cline wrote on 3/3/2011, 1:12 AM
OK, now this thread is getting creepy. :-)
Grazie wrote on 3/3/2011, 1:32 AM
I agree that there is no substitute for appropriate WB and lighting. That is not what I am addressing.

Creepy? I have to think, and I'm assuming both parties are of consenting age.

Grazie

ushere wrote on 3/3/2011, 3:08 AM
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farss wrote on 3/3/2011, 3:27 AM
" That is not what I am addressing."

I fail to see why you have to address anything. Previewing at Best / Full is an option offered in the application. If doing so causes the application to crash this is the fault of the application.
To try to turn the blame onto the user and ask him to justify his use of the option is absurd.

Bob.

TomG wrote on 3/3/2011, 5:27 AM
I don't know if anyone else has noticed it or not, but as I view this thread it comes over very wide on my monitor. Actually wider than my monitor viewing area so I have to scroll to the right to read many messages on this thread. This is the first time I have ever noticed this.

I look at the other threads in the forum and (even as I'm typing) the width is narrower and fits on the monitor and there is no need for horizontal scrolling.

I have an acer 25" wide screen monitor and this is the first time I have noticed this ever. I have not changed any of my settings that I can remember (here we go with the old fart scenario again).

TomG
Grazie wrote on 3/3/2011, 5:40 AM
If I WAS referring to what you are saying then, yes, that would be absurd. No, I was referring to, and please carefully over what I said, was Leslie's
seems like the ability to visualise what things will look like once rendered is a dying art

What I am saying is that there is so much more, now in the digital domain, that being able to Preview slicker previews is becoming or has become more important. I was NOT blaming the poster, if I am doing anything it is supporting the poster. I am purely positing a further creative thought that having these extras tools, digging out more options requires better Preview to SEE the results, On-the-Fly. And THAT, against Leslie's observation of a dying art, is where I separate. Somehow you've converged what I said to mean something other?

Can't you see that Bob?

Grazie

Grazie wrote on 3/3/2011, 5:41 AM
And yes, TomG, something HAS made this post/thread wide. PITA.

Grazie
rs170a wrote on 3/3/2011, 6:34 AM
TomG, I believe it's because eightyeightkeys had a very long link in one of his/her recent responses.

Mike
amendegw wrote on 3/3/2011, 6:40 AM
Have others noticed that the format of this thread is extra-wide? Need to do a horizontal scroll to read the whole text.

Wonder why that is? Could it be because a URL posted earlier that has a query string beginning with "p_faqid=4844&p_created=1259016132..." is extra long? But if the forum splits the URL from the query string, shouldn't it also split the query string?

Or maybe it's just Cosmic Rays {grin}

...Jerry

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eightyeightkeys wrote on 3/3/2011, 7:07 AM
The machine that I have built by ADK is not for Vegas per se. It is for my composing, recording studio. As such, I have a great need for RAM. Even 12 GB with Hollywood Strings is, now, too little. Argh !

>>>" That is not what I am addressing."
I fail to see why you have to address anything. Previewing at Best / Full is an option offered in the application. If doing so causes the application to crash this is the fault of the application.
To try to turn the blame onto the user and ask him to justify his use of the option is absurd<<<
Bob

I agree with this comment.

Does it matter "how much dynamic RAM I use...and...on what ?"
What if I were an editor/animator at Dreamworks working on a feature animation ? Would that "justify" my Dynamic RAM usage to you ? These are pointless questions.
I just need Vegas to be stable and expect it to be powerful, modern and up-to date with current tech. If I choose to use Best-Full, then why not ? If it's an option "not-to-be used" then it should be greyed out.

deusx....
ahhh !.....your on XP SP3 not Windows 7 Proessional. Not even 64bit ?
Gawd, this is so useless. Your comparisons are completely useless. Why do you even bother ?

O.K. re Firewire chipsets....The TI chipsets were "the recommended" FW chipset in the audio world for years on XP with Firewire devices such as the TC Electronic Powercore. It is still on their web site. We were all advised to steer clear of VIA.

However, on my previous machine, I also did have a VIA FW chipset that worked O.K.....flakey, but, worked with the Powercore...on XP SP3 as well. Also, I used to run VMS 9 & 10 on that machine ...perfectly.....but, we have to compare apples to apples.
eightyeightkeys wrote on 3/3/2011, 7:24 AM
To compare the mature 32bit version of Vegas PRO to the relatively new 64bit version and to call "bullshit" by a user on XP 32bit to a user on Windows 7-64bit is just not fair.

Just to give you all an idea of how dicey the transition from 32 bit to 64bit, XP32 to W7 64 bit was, allow me to tell you how the transition went with my recording applications.

a)about $2000 worth of XP audio plug-ins simply would not install at all. With no installers for W7, these plug-ins are now garbage.
b)many of the 32bit plug-ins that actually did install had to be J-Bridged into the 64bit app. Some of these J-Bridged plugs caused the application to crash.... constantly. These needed to be either VST Bridged or trashed completely.
c)the old hardware, including audio cards UAD1 PCI's had no drivers for W7...sold 'em off for pennies on the dollar.

Now, I have a rock, solid 64bit audio app, but, weeding out all the plugs, drivers, etc....was expensive ! (beyond just the machine) and took quite a bit of troubleshooting time. It wasn't simple.... at all.
farss wrote on 3/3/2011, 1:38 PM
"If I WAS referring to what you are saying then, yes, that would be absurd"

I wasn't saying what YOU were saying was absurd. I was saying that you and others being asked to justify using Best / Full is absurd. Wether or not there is a justification is irrelevant.

" Somehow you've converged what I said to mean something other?"

No I haven't. I'm under the assumption that this is a conversation amongst a group of people. The conversation has taken a new direction, "Why use Best / Full?" but the subject has not been changed. I'm picking up on your point of 'addressing' aspects of this subject and saying it's an absurd direction for the conversation to take under the current subject. In effect the main issue (Vegas crashing) is being deflected.

"Can't you see that Bob?"

Yes, I can see how you can expect me to see it that way.
I can also see how in the context of a group of people having a discussion my reply would be taken in a broader context that picked up on you addressing a very specific topic that is not directly connected to the original conversation.
In that environment who I was facing, the tone of my voice and my body language would have hopefully communicated that although I was picking up from what you'd said the "absurd" part was directed at the direction of the conversation and not what you were on about at all.

My feeling is much confusion in general here could be avoided if we changed the subject line to denote a split in the topic and everyone viewed the forum in threaded view. Several times I've tried changing the subject line and found people replying under that subject to the original subject. I've also had people I think replying to me but in threaded view they appeared to be replying to someone else.

And now I'm really guilty because I should have changed the subject line. Seriously though I think this is a topic deserving of its own thread.


Bob.