Strange behavior when re-capturing

merkelck wrote on 1/4/2004, 9:46 AM
I have a finshed project archived on dv tape. I needed to make some changes/additions to that program and played it back into MS30a. The project was completed in MS2. The project comprised video and still images that included a 70 image slideshow. After the recapture, I have noticed that many of the images are missing. Some had titles/credits. These are single/double images sprinkled throughout the project. The slideshow was intact but I believe that is because it was created in Studio8 and then brought into this project as a .avi file. I went back to the capture mode and tried again with just a few minutes of material that included the missing sections and there is NO doubt that they will NOT recapture. Now I have found that there are several titles over video that are missing. I have managed to correct the missing parts but would appreciate any ideas that I could incorporate at the outset to avoid this issue again. Perhaps there is a setting/pref that I need to change. I make maximum use of dv tape to archive projects and I hope that I don't have to find another way.
Thanks for your comments
Kent

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Chienworks wrote on 1/4/2004, 2:20 PM
When you recapture, anything that was orginally still images or titles will be recaptured as DV .avi files, since this is all the tape holds. If you need to save other types of media files you'll have to find some other way to store them.
merkelck wrote on 1/4/2004, 3:28 PM
Maybe I didn't convey exactly what I was doing. The original finished project with titles/stills was output to dv tape. I then recaptured that back into MS3. Wouldn't my original still/titles have been in the same format as all the other material? Only some of the images /titles are missing. And no matter what I do, they will not capture.
Kent
Chienworks wrote on 1/4/2004, 4:28 PM
You should be able to capture exactly what you see on the tape. If you see the stills and titles when you play the tape, you should capture them as DV .avi files. Actually, if you printed to tape in one continuous shot then you should be getting back one single DV .avi file containing the entire project.
merkelck wrote on 1/4/2004, 7:07 PM
Now that you mention it , I should have only one file but I don't. There are many files. I must have some sort of "scene detection" enabled. Even more puzzling is the fact that when I went to a specific section of the tape with the stills/titles, it would not capture it. I am going to go back to the settings/prefs and see if I can get it to capture one large .avi file.
Thanks for your ideas.
Kent
Chienworks wrote on 1/4/2004, 7:18 PM
Bad tape with lots of dropouts maybe? What do you see if you watch the tape?
merkelck wrote on 1/4/2004, 7:38 PM
The tape appears to be a solid tape. No visible dropouts and none reported after the capture. I am more concerned about why the tape did not capture as one file. There maybe some problems on that tape that I can't see. I plan to recapture it again tomorrow and see what I can find.
Kent
laz wrote on 1/5/2004, 1:01 AM
Just to see if it's a MS prob you could try another prog to capture. Here's a couple of free ones http://www.tmpgenc.net/e_main.html and http://www.webattack.com/get/zweistein.shtml
hbwerner wrote on 1/5/2004, 5:17 AM
This rings a bell in the back of my mind. When I first got MS, I captured from a DV tape I had originally edited in Windows MovieMaker. As I recall, there was scene detection, and some scenes (maybe short ones?) were not being picked up. I think I then somehow changed the capture to eliminate scene detection and things worked. As I say, my memory of this is fuzzy, but it sounds familiar to the problem I had, which I THINK was when I was loading into MS.
merkelck wrote on 1/7/2004, 10:20 AM
I am sorry that I have been so long getting back to this. I tried this again using the "Capture Tape" mode. THe results were basically the same . MS3 broke the 115min .avi file into 128 segments and many of the short title/ still sequences are just "GONE". There were no reported dropped frames. Not all the title/stills are missing. I looked for a pref/setting that turns off the scene detection but I can't find it. THe manual/help just states that MS3 will detect scenes but it doesn't offer any way to turn it off. I think it would be nice if it just produced one long clip. There are
absolutley no breaks in the time code. The original tape plays great.
I also seem to suffer from the "fuzzy recall syndrome"
Kent
Former user wrote on 1/7/2004, 11:24 AM
The scene detect option should be available when you are the capture mode.

Dave T2
merkelck wrote on 1/7/2004, 8:24 PM
This things is getting stranger all the time. When I go to the Capture Mode, I open the Preferences item of the OPTIONS pull down. The "ScreenBlast Video Capture Online Help" says that one of the items under the "CAPTURE" tab should be "Enable DV scene Detection (supported DV devices only)" On my system, I do NOT have that option. In fact, all the options under the "CAPTURE" tab are the same as the items under the "GENERAL" tab.
I would appreciate it if someone would check this on thier system and see if I have a wierd problem. This computer is a HP Pavilion with a a standard IEEE1394 firewire input.
Kent
SonySCS wrote on 1/8/2004, 8:33 AM

Ack!! I can't believe we missed this. Sorry. The good news is that there is a way around it. Basically only the text is wrong.

1. In Video Capture Options> Preferences, Capture tab has the wrong list
The first item should be "Enable DV Scene Detection" but it says "Double click in Clip Explorer plays clip"
2. To figure out the correct item, use What's this help (click upper-right corner ? and drag the ? to the incorect text)
This context-sensitive help displays the correct information.

In addition, the online Help lists all the Capture preferences in the correct order. You can use this to figure out the Capture preferences list.

I know the above is detailed: I wanted to write up what I plan to say in the Knowledge Base for users who may not know stuff like how to use context-sensitive help.

Again, thanks for finding this and I hope this helps.

Suzan