Stupid me and 9d

erikd wrote on 5/3/2010, 7:37 AM
I decided to try 9d for a "simple" project. Then mid-project it was changed into a complex one. Multiple "looooonnnnggg" loads and crashes later and I really want to die. I remember Sony communicating with the user group regarding the 9a (i think it was) title graphic error problem. I really wish they would give us some feedback on a resolution for this long load problem with 9d. I'm screwed because I can't go to any previous version of 9 because of red frames. My only relief is to rebuild in 8c. 8c...why did I ever leave you??? The truth is if there isn't a stable version of 9 at some point then I can't and won't buy 10. I mean if you can't get it right by D isn't that a big clue that there really is a big problem?

Erik

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ritsmer wrote on 5/3/2010, 7:55 AM
Sorry for you :- (

Here Vegas 9.0d works just great.
Do not see any long load times - and it even renders faster than 9.0c.

My raw media is even said to be difficult (AVCHD high profile 264 and up to 25 Mbit interlaced AND mixed with MP4 HD progressive mixed with multi-megapixel JPG's - all on the same timeline) but Vegas just works and works. Just like good old 8.0c did - but faster.

Have not seen real hangs or red frames or anything for quite a long time now. :- ))))


HyperMedia wrote on 5/3/2010, 8:12 AM
Except it stall once so far since upgrading to 9.d. I am producing professional work...in the line Avid and Final Cut Pro users. The render quality looks even better. "Prinstine"
xberk wrote on 5/3/2010, 8:18 AM
Here's a couple of threads on the long load problem in 9.0d. Sony has said they are working on it --- but I wonder -- is it Cineform? I don't have the load problem. 9.0d performing well for me on AVCHD and SD and all my old projects from 9.0b or 8.0c .. I really didn't use 9.0c much because of the JPG problem. Many others here are not seeing the long load issue either. I just wonder if it is not related to certain media or to certain system configurations? Obviously something changed in 9.0d from 9.0c that effected some of us -- but not others. - Paul

Long load discussion
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warriorking wrote on 5/3/2010, 8:39 AM
Just finished a rough draft of a choir concert using 3 AVCHD camera's ..of course the dreaded non response issue has reared its ugly head once again, had to restart vegas 9d 3 times during the editing process, never would unfreeze.... I hoped the issue had been addressed,it has not....it can get annoying at times...
PerroneFord wrote on 5/3/2010, 9:50 AM
I can guarantee you it's not Cineform. I've got a collegue testing 9d for me. I gave him Lagarith AVI proxies to do dailies with and he's struggling. I personally watched him start vegas and try to load a 2 minute and 30 second SD AVI file (lagarith) and saw it take over 4 minutes to open.

I just shook my head. He'd never used a pro editor before, so he thought it was normal.
erikd wrote on 5/3/2010, 10:09 AM
Trying to render now. Ha ha. I want to render to a simple 480x360 wmv at 500kb. It renders about 1-2% of the program and then says:

An error occurred while creating the media file " ".
The system is low on memory. You may be able to reduce memory usage by closing other applications.

Nothing else is open. 8gb RAM on a winxp 32bit (I know I only get 2gb) and I have 83% of my RAM free when I get this error.

My plan was to render out a low res copy for approval tonight and then deal with the massive rebuild tomorrow. Now I can't even get a low res copy to render.

Dynamic RAM set to 0. Multi-thread renderers set to 1.

Any ideas on how to get this thing to render to anything. I'm using a combination of full res SD MXF with xvid avis and a few vob files. I know somebody will probably scream about those but
8c never seemed to mind.

Erik

erikd wrote on 5/3/2010, 10:21 AM
Trying the "network render" trick where you tell it you are going to network render but you use the same Vegas machine only. So far up to 6% so maybe this might work...
logiquem wrote on 5/3/2010, 11:12 AM
I have worked with many formats since V9 d upgrade and never got any opening lagging. Avi, AVCHD, mpg, MXF, HD (no Cineform), SD, etc.

Super fast opening, zillion time faster than other editors i tried (FC, Avid or Edius).
erikd wrote on 5/3/2010, 11:32 AM
First off, the network render tricked worked perfectly so I very much recommend that for anyone in a fix fighting through a memory error while rendering.

As for the formats you are successfully using, that's good, but since we could be using very different codecs, it really doesn't help all that much.

Erik

farss wrote on 5/3/2010, 1:18 PM
You might get out of your pickle by saving your project as XML.
With a bit of luck you might be able to open the XML project in a previous version of Vegas.

Bob.
Geoff_Wood wrote on 5/3/2010, 1:57 PM
Well you do get a slower than usual startup *if you've added new plugins* as it triggers a rescan .....

geoff
erikd wrote on 5/4/2010, 12:13 AM
Bob,

How does one save or export the project as XML? This is new to me. BTW, I have found that you can copy and paste content from V9d to V8c as long as I don't have any FX filters of any kind applied to any of the events. Otherwise they paste quite nicely. I didn't know that either.

Update: After successfully pasting 22 clips with masking, scaling etc., all of a sudden no more pasting. It doesn't crash v8c, it just does nothing. Was pasting fine and then it simply said no mas.

Erik

Erik
farss wrote on 5/4/2010, 2:43 AM
"How does one save or export the project as XML?"

Tools>Scripting>Export XML.
Tools>Scripting>ImportXML

"Update: After successfully pasting 22 clips with masking, scaling etc., all of a sudden no more pasting. It doesn't crash v8c, it just does nothing. Was pasting fine and then it simply said no mas. "

Sound to me like you got something on the timeline that's giving Vegas heartburn.

Start again and after each Paste Save As an incrementing version number then if it goes south you can drive a stake through it's heart and open the last good save and then try to figure out why the next thing you tried to add caused all the grief. Once you know what it is maybe try putting just that into a fresh project. If tha holds up render it to a different codec that's easier on Vegas.

HTH

Bob.

erikd wrote on 5/4/2010, 3:26 AM
Bob,

Thanks for the pointer on XML. I need to experiment with that when I get a break. I'm back happily pasting into V8c. I think the problem was that I didn't notice that I was trying to paste clips that were part of groups. That is a no-no. Things could definitely be worse here so I should be caught up in another couple of hours.

Erik
drmathprog wrote on 5/4/2010, 4:36 AM
"I can guarantee you it's not Cineform. I've got a collegue testing 9d for me. I gave him Lagarith AVI proxies to do dailies with and he's struggling. I personally watched him start vegas and try to load a 2 minute and 30 second SD AVI file (lagarith) and saw it take over 4 minutes to open.

I just shook my head. He'd never used a pro editor before, so he thought it was normal."

A cynic might argue that your colleague still has never used a pro editor. :-)
PerroneFord wrote on 5/4/2010, 5:45 AM
It says so right on the box....
drmathprog wrote on 5/4/2010, 5:53 AM
Oh yeah, so it does. So let it be written. So let it be done.
FilmingPhotoGuy wrote on 5/4/2010, 8:09 AM
EricD,

You might want to help us by telling us your system specs. Your OS....etc.

After installing 9d on my brand new Win7, on an i7 I also had some projects that would not load. I rebooted back into my working XP64 and the project loaded perfectly. The project contained an AVI compressed with HuffYUV codec generated from Particle Illusion. I still cannot get that codec to install on my i7-Win764 so I had to redo everything in using Lagarith.

I still sometimes get "hangs" when using huge JPG's. Also tell us what your project contains because some FX filters only work in SV 32.

You'll find a lot of help here on the forum if you ask the right questions and don't mind getting verbally abused by some professionals :)



PerroneFord wrote on 5/4/2010, 8:22 AM
Combine Yul Brenner and Cecil B. DeMille and you get timeless quotes! ;)
PhillB wrote on 5/13/2010, 1:15 AM
Thanks erikd you saved my day, after being clobered by the dreaded itunes update for two days, not being able to render a few .mov files from my Canon 5D MkII in to wmv without this crazy low memory problem had me at my wits end.
Your workaround actually does the trick, must be something to do with codec complexity and performance I guess.
erikd wrote on 5/13/2010, 3:45 AM
You're welcome Phill...I don't know how it works but it does seem to do the trick. Maybe someone on this board can explain why it works?

Erik