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PeterDuke wrote on 9/28/2011, 7:16 PM
Ha!

I just discovered that by turning on subtitles in my media player, I see the date and time of each .m2ts file as a subtitle. It's a bit flaky though (doesn't always show). The subtitle updates each second.
Rob Franks wrote on 9/28/2011, 8:05 PM
"A rendered file should be able to preserve source TC and file names etc."

Source time code is not what's being discussed. It's time/date stamp.... different thing entirely.

As for file names... you choose it. You could choose the same one... or different one.
Shield wrote on 9/28/2011, 11:54 PM
Hey Bob-
What other apps can preserve this through editing? Would love to know. I don't do much other than strip out the garbage segments and stitch them back together. Would love to find a reliable AVCHD "trimmer" that did not re-render. The two I know of produce garbage and artifacts in the output (Famering really does, and Elecard's HD editor does occasionally).
Shawn
PeterDuke wrote on 9/29/2011, 9:29 AM
Have you tried VideoReDo?
rmack350 wrote on 9/29/2011, 12:06 PM
"If the file is altered or messed with in ANY way then the time/date stamp gets changed to reflect the new standing."

Does the Date/time stamp recorded in the PGS stream get altered too or are you just talking about the file date. It seems to me that part of the point of embeddint this date/time stamp is to preserve that metadata regardless of the filesystem's file date.

"Well... yes and no. Remember that vegas never actually alters the original file. It stays intact..... along with the original time/date stamp. Of course the NEW rendered file will have the date rendered as the "DATE CREATED". "

Ah. I was unclear. Vegas is nondestructive, of course. What I meant by "editing clips" assumed that you'd render a new file. And, theoretically anyway, some rendered file types could have metadata in them that could include a creation date that would remain intact regardless of the file date.

And, as Bob points out, a Quicktime Reference file wouldn't mess with the source footage's metadata (as long as it's refering to that source footage and not rendered footage, I suppose). But then a quicktime reference file isn't a rendered file.

Rob
edenilson wrote on 9/29/2011, 12:29 PM
Platinum will be equal to 11. animated text with presets protitle.
PeterDuke wrote on 9/29/2011, 9:24 PM
The data is not altered in the PGS stream during transfer by whatever method.

Vegas apparently ignores the PGS stream so it doesn't even make it to the timeline, so it definitely won't appear in any rendering.
Shield wrote on 9/29/2011, 11:34 PM
Peter I just did, and there's 2 problems:

1. It does not output the pgs stream.
2. Even worse, VideoRedo has "blips" right before the scene changes. So it's useless to me.

Will look around for others. Even if I could find one with great output, I could always demux the .mts file and grab the pgs stream and remux it back together after editing. I'm just not convinced software exists that can edit / remove any frame for avchd without having to completely reencode and have the output "blip" free.
PeterDuke wrote on 9/30/2011, 7:05 PM
"VideoRedo has "blips" right before the scene changes"

Are you saying that you don't have one scene per clip?

If yes, how did you combine them? That may be your problem.
PeterDuke wrote on 9/30/2011, 7:16 PM
I made an AVCHD disc on DVD using Sony PMB, but the PGS track did not get transferred.
Shield wrote on 10/3/2011, 9:40 AM
No Peter, what I'm saying is if I take a 3 minute scene and remove 30 seconds from it, I can see blips when using VideoRedo. Not so with Vegas and a full render. So to me the "no recompression" aspect of VideoReDo is useless if I can see artifacts where there's a cut.
Shawn
PeterDuke wrote on 10/3/2011, 9:53 AM
I am sure that the VideoReDo developers would be interested in that. I have never noticed that problem with it.

I did communicate with them at one stage trying to resolve why VideoReDo edited AVCHD files would not smart render in Vegas 9c, but it got too hard for me (and Sony, it seems, because they removed smart rendering of AVCHD altogether in later versions.)

Bear in mind that VideoReDo's main focus is TV transmitted video, not video cameras.