Suggestion to fix lighting on face

Byron K wrote on 8/4/2010, 1:00 AM
Are there any suggestions to adjust the lighting on this lovely vocalist's face. The lighting at the venue had bright spots and I didn't notice it until I started editing the video. I was enjoying the music. (:

The 2nd half of this short segment shows the lighting on the vocalist and the bass player on a different part of the stage.



Thanks in advance.
Byron

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farss wrote on 8/4/2010, 4:47 AM
Shiny dark skin with spots close to it. Quite hard to expose it correctly even when you do notice the problem.
Basically the shine has caused it to clip so fixing that is a problem as the color information is lost. You'd probably need to mask out the affected area, reduce the highlights a bit with a color curve and then try increasing the saturation by selecting only the whiteish areas with the secondary color corrector. I'm certain others will have other ideas but I fear all of them could be very time consuming to keep tracking the problem areas as she moves around. The task might be made harder as the shot isn't really locked off.

Bob.
TeetimeNC wrote on 8/4/2010, 4:50 AM
Byron, nice footage. There are probably several ways to approach this but this is what I would try.

1. Duplicate your track.
2. On the top-most track, use the secondary color corrector on her face and darken it as required. This will likely affect other parts of the image as well, which we'll fix with step 3.
3. On the top-most track, apply a mask to limit the correction to her face.

/jerry
amendegw wrote on 8/4/2010, 5:13 AM
I hope this isn't hijacking this thread. If so, my apologies.

I downloaded this clip using the Firefox YouTube downloader and have been using my laptop to try some correction scenarios.

As the others have mentioned, my first thought was to use the secondary color corrector. However, I ran into a problem: the singer's face is too small to accurately use the eyedropper to click-and-drag a selection (on my small screen laptop, anyway).

So, here's my question: is there anyway to zoom the preview screen so one can more easily select an area for color correction?

the other,
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Byron K wrote on 8/4/2010, 11:40 AM
Really appreciate the responses and suggestions.

I figured this was going to be a challenge.

The footage was taken in Guam so it was quite warm and it was a dark venue (as with most of my videos)

I've already done some color correction (2ndary) and enhanced the clip w/ noise reduction, Unsharp Mask, Sharpen FXes. You can also see the reflection on the bass player's arm. I actually have about 20 minutes of these guys so key framing masks is going to take a while..

Farss you mentioned that this is hard to correct even when it's noticed. Is there a way to minimize this effect when I do see it?

Again, thanks for all the assistance!
Byron
musicvid10 wrote on 8/4/2010, 12:57 PM
Byron,
Can you upload the original camera clip to MediaFire or somewhere?
I think I can do quite a lot with levels and gamma alone, and would be happy to post the settings.
However, Youtube changes the colorspace, so I don't think that is the best starting point.

It appears to have been shot through glass, is that correct?
farss wrote on 8/4/2010, 7:41 PM
"Farss you mentioned that this is hard to correct even when it's noticed. Is there a way to minimize this effect when I do see it?"

Obviously all you can do is reduce the exposure to protect the highlights. The unwanted effect of doing that is to push the rest of the frame into darkness and the noise floor.

Great images start with good lighting. If you cannot control the lighting you can face situations where it's impossible to get good let alone great images.

Bob.
vicmilt wrote on 8/5/2010, 8:40 AM
There is a reason that any "name" band has a truckload of lights, scrims and crew to work it all.
This is a very good video -for what it is.
Unfortunately there is no magic bullet.

Sometimes you've simply got to live with reality - if the singer wants to make this better, and (let's say) this is a priceless performance...
I'd reshoot in a controlled environment to synced playback.
Realistically - that's how the majority of music videos are produced anyway.

For this particular video - I'd hope that the singer and keyboard guy would simply be happy to have a record of the event - the audio is good and you can clearly see everything. Unless someone else shot the same setup and has spectacular footage, I'd just lay it to rest.

On the third hand - I would have liked some (many) more tight closeups. That would immediately have solved a lot of your issues - not completely, but tight shots tend to hold a lot more luminance detail and give an apparently wider range of exposure.
VIC'S RULE: YOU CAN NEVER GO WRONG WITH CLOSE-UPS AND CUTAWAYS - SHOOT A LOT OF THEM

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Byron K wrote on 8/5/2010, 12:37 PM
Thanks for all the replies and assistance.

It's funny because this wasn't planned, this video was actually one of those priceless moments where we were having dinner at this place and the duo was playing. I thought hey, these guys are actually pretty good and just happened to have my Kodak PlaySport (I carry this little thing w/ me everywhere) which is probably why the quality isn't as good in the first place.

I think I've gotten the video edited to the point that it's useable.

Vic, Definitely some great tips and I'll keep the close-ups rule at the top of the list next time! (:

This exercise was definitely a great learning experience of how important it is to try to get the best quality shot possible because you can only do so much in post.

-Byron
nedski wrote on 8/5/2010, 1:23 PM
"...just happened to have my Kodak PlaySport (I carry this little thing w/ me everywhere)..."

I brought two Kodak camcorders with me to an amateur movie premier event. A Zx3 PlaySport and a Zi8. I set the PlaySport at 1280x720 for the wide angle and the Zi8 at 1920x1080 for the narrow angle.

The lighting was really, really bad so I used a LED flashlight to illuminate the speakers face. I put the video together the same night so it could be posted the next day. Of course, I used Vegas!
http://www.vimeo.com/12899948
Warning, there is some cursing, so it's not a work-safe or child-safe video.

rmack350 wrote on 8/5/2010, 9:36 PM
Byron, it sounds like the youtube vid is a result of a bit of correction already. To me, I think it's quite acceptable as it is, but this is a matter of context so I'll tell you why I think it's fine...

I think the blown out light on her face is kind of motivated. It's a performance and one expects a bit of imperfect and dramatic light. It helps that there are light sources in the shot here to give you that sense of theatricality. In addition, this light isn't actually obscuring the details of her face, and it's not dead on to camera. It's a little more like a scratch light (not quite, but it's dramatic) and I think it's acceptable for it to blow out.

I wonder if you'd get more mileage from leaving her face as it is now and darkening other parts of the frame. If anything, the surroundings are a bit overlit and undramatic.A little more darkness could make things more intimate.

You could use bezier masks on a duplicate track and use that to knock areas down while leaving the performers in a reasonable range.

Rob Mack

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