System Requirements - update?

gary-o wrote on 11/18/2021, 6:29 AM

Hello, I'm finally biting the bullet and building a new computer from scratch for 4K editing.

Please could you help clarify the system requirements:

Does it matter what motherboard is used, so long as it supports 7th generation i7 CPUs? (Is i7 the same as 7th generation or can you get 10th generation i7 CPUs? I'm struggling to find information about this.)
Do I need to buy two separate GPUs - the NVIDEA GeForce and the AMD Radeon... or can one choose one or the other?
I can't find NVIDIA or AMD GPUs that easily for some reason. Or I see graphics cards selling for thousands of dollars. What's going on? I thought GPUs were a few hundred dollars or so. I do, however, see ASUS, GIGABYTE or Sappphire cards with GeForce GTX or Radeon RX-type chipsets (?). Are these the same things, just different manufacturers? What do I need to look for if I come across alternative brands or models (e.g. I see a GTX 1050Ti card, is that better than GTX 9XX? But I also see GTX 750 for about the same price? Doesn't say whether it's GeForce or Radeon...)

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gary-o wrote on 11/21/2021, 8:43 PM

I have an i7 7700 quad,1Tb M.2 drive, GTX 1660 Super GPU & 64GB RAM, it worked ok but it wasn't happy with 4K

That's a really souped-up machine, Gid. Much higher than the recommended System Requirements for 4K and the next level up from what I managed to squeeze out of my budget (I stretched to a GTX 1650 and only 32GB RAM). According to the benchmarks above, the 1660 is about double the speed of the 1650 and you have double the RAM.

So that's a bit worrying that you struggle to edit 4K as soon as you start doing something a bit more than basic editing.

Magix admins - are you following this thread? I would imagine that the software needs to do more to utilise the available resources. Can anyone identify what needs to be done within VP itself? Perhaps I should create a support ticket to deal with this issue specifically...

gary-o wrote on 11/21/2021, 8:49 PM

@Yelandkeil the 6700XT is going for $675USD when it is available.

If my formula holds then the benchmark value for this card should be at least 6,000; or at least as good as and similar in price to the the GTX 1660 Ti.

RogerS wrote on 11/21/2021, 9:23 PM

An i7-7700 quad-core processor is not a souped up machine- it's an old computer from 4 years ago and only one generation faster than the minimum recommended spec for VP 18/19.

FWIW I use the mobile version of that processor and it is capable of editing AVC in 4K. If you want to preview something with difficult effects applied just do a ram preview (shift b) or pre-render (shift-m). I've yet to really need 32GB ram let alone more. The highest usage I get is when using the newer deep-learning powered Fx. Otherwise 16GB would be enough.

There's no point in creating a support ticket for a feature request to improve VP hardware utilization. Either they reprogram it to do so or they don't- if the program doesn't meet your needs today I'd find another one which does.

Former user wrote on 11/21/2021, 10:01 PM

Not sure if i'm reading you correct but the i7 7700, GTX 1660 SUPER AERO ITX 6GB, 64GB RAM & 1TB m.2 drive was my old PC, It would handle 1920x1080 HD no prob but 4k it was only 'ok', a 20min vid would take more than an hr to render & preview wasn't much good above Preview- Auto,, it was very 'laggy' overall while using it just in general without Dynamic Ram, like you know when you move events around or cut/trim them, Vegas sort of re-writes all the following preview thumbnails on the timeline events, it would seem to take ages doing that,

In the videos i posted & screenshots are my new PC as in my signature

ASUS PRO WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI AMD Motherboard
AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 3975WX 3.5GHz 32 Core
Corsair iCUE H150i RGB PRO XT 360mm All-in-One Liquid CPU Cooler
RAM 256GB ( 8x Micron 32GB (1x 32GB) 2666MHz DDR4 RAM )
2x Western Digital Black SN850 2TB M.2-2280 SSD, 7000MB/s Read, 5100MB/s Write
(programs on one, project files on the other)
Graphics MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X 24GB OC GPU

Like i say i think there is a limit to how much you spend, however much i like Vegas I'm not sure if this software will play with effects added even if you spent many £1000s. Saying that tho, the other editing software i have isn't that much better, they also need caching before they play well at real time fps & when i watch people using Adobe their timeline needs caching before it plays right, the difference is with those programs are Automatic caching so there's no thinking about it, play it through a couple of times, it logs it then plays right but Vegas only has manual Dynamic ram instead, if this was an auto/background process, or at least have the option to make it auto i think it would help out people a lot,

There's quite a few people on here who have already commented & are only using i7s-ish & 32gGB-ish of RAM, i don't know if they work in 4k but you're better off taking their advise, I just wanted to say that spending more doesn't really give you more, In my vids & pics you can see the GPU is doing a lot of the work, so i'd spend on that, you can always add more ram later. & i'm sure you'll get a machine that will work fine,

Yelandkeil wrote on 11/22/2021, 1:04 AM

@gary-o
1, benchmark scores are mostly from gaming environment, quite another world to NLEs, you can take them as reference but not evidence;
2, a GTX1xxx is the 1st generation, then comes RTX2xxx, RTX3xxx...similar the AMD Radeon-HD...Radeon-RX...keep your money safe from such comparisons - sorry my roughness.

@Reyfox, AMD Yes!
Had once a GTX1070 with Intel-CPU, not very impressed for NLEs.

Sure, not mind the high-end RTX3090 which kills my life (no money).

@Former user, disagree your RAM-upgrade police, because a bundle-set is not any combination of 4 RAM-banks.
Yes, you can say they work, too; only you don't know how they work.

I'm as poor as a church mouse, so my coins must be melt all to the knife-edge at one time, and wait till the next time.
I'm jealous your RTX3090 alone has beaten all my invest. 🐭🐭

Reyfox wrote on 11/22/2021, 3:57 AM

@Yelandkeil the RX6700XT is superior to the 1660ti/super. It's more inline in at least gaming with the RTX3070....